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Merge Computer ID

I had a hard drive crash on me and as a result my latest backup of my boinc data folder had a out of date RPC.

Thus I can no longer connect to the computerid on the server and all my results are no longer being tracked under this computers original ID. I have had it running a long time and I wanted to continue to track its results throughout its life.

BOINC suggests a feature to merge hostid's but I can not figure out a way to do this. Is there a way that I can do it?

Or is this something someone at WCG can do manually? It says it is supposed to combine existing device profiles that are from the same computer but it is not doing this automatically.

See here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/HostId

I am not submitting anything else from this computer until I can merge the profiles.
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Re: Merge Computer ID

You cannot merge computer IDs at WCG, other projects yes, WCG - no.
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Bun Bun,

If you had a backup, and restored that prior to re-installation of BOINC [doing this with internet unplugged, to include confirming BOINC had found old data], AND nothing else changed on that system, host network ID same etc, but the HD maybe. WCG would have recognized the return of an old known friend. I've got a laptop, which went from XP OEM, to clean Vista, to clean W7 and it's still going strong [when I let it run].

95711 work 12/27/2006 18:29:04

To top this, I'm using network ID suppress, so WCG only gets the BOINC ID 95711 transmitted, not what the host in network ID is known as.

Doubt, scratching the install, clean registry too, and redoing with aforementioned tips, will make it work, but you could try. Else, it's a lost cause. No reconnect/merge.... on the wish list, but not on the To Do [AFAIK].

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Re: Merge Computer ID

The problem is the system continued running and reporting from memory. It was unable to save the latest RPC to the xml files in the data folder. Though it thought it did. Thus its gone.

Is there a way to contact them directly? Various places say that WCG looks at system specs and if everything is the same automatically merges with the previous ID. However it is not doing this.

If I can not get a resolution to this matter I am not contributing anymore of my CPU's to WCG. The ones are on will stay until retired but I will not add any new ones and this rig (my top contributor) will no longer crunch WCG.
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The problem is the system continued running and reporting from memory. It was unable to save the latest RPC to the xml files in the data folder. Though it thought it did. Thus its gone.

Is there a way to contact them directly? Various places say that WCG looks at system specs and if everything is the same automatically merges with the previous ID. However it is not doing this.

The RPC is not important in this case [if the servers had auto-recognized the device from the record). It is in respect to data syncing. If the 2 are out, because you put an old backup in place, the server scrubs what's on the client and sends a fresh result set. Done this, and witnessed the erasure. Key is the off-line restoring and only when you are happy that BOINC is running proper [off the old backup], then the old=new works. Mind you, my router is set up to always assign the same internal IP to the same device [automatically]... think that is the weakest link in the matter. Anyway, the prerequisites are described in this Wiki http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Host_identification_and_merging (I wrote that bit ;>)

Want personal assistance: write to support@worldcommunitygrid.org or find the "contact us" link on WCG home page.

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I also have my computer set to static IP. I restore the old backup and it automatically ditches everything and grabs a new ID.

I tried this three times without success. Each time it made a new installation. I now have 4 installations from the exact same machine.

user name - only one user
domain_name - not on a domain but same workgroup
ip_addr (the ip of the client on the local network) - same ip address
operating system name - same OS
processor vendor - same processor
memory - same memory

nothing changed other than my raid array crashed (data volume not main system volume).

Would video card change any of the above? My backup was on a GTX580 which I have since sold.
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Re: Merge Computer ID

Just curious here, but is your computer "named" the same as it was previously?

Also, why not just reinstall and reattach to said project here? If the computer has the identical name as it was previously, and you reinstall boinc and reattach, I don't see why it would not work. I did this with a brand new hdd and redownloaded/reinstalled boinc, reattached to wcg, and all worked just fine. I just let the few WU's I was working on go to other crunchers (when my hdd crashed). No problems here by using this method. Considering how much time has passed since you first posted, I'd have thought by now you'd have tried this simple method. :)
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"user name" was the technical term used, but what is meant is the host name as in "what the name is of the device on a network". If it was e.g. Bun_Bun1 before, it has to be Bun_Bun1 on rebuild.

The domain_name/workgroup name are interchangeable, Windows default is "WORKGROUP".

A combination of previous known host name and LAN IP before and after and the domain_name is most of the times the job done, since processor/os/memory do not require input... either they are or they are not.

As for OS, as noted, it does not have to be *absolute* the same... I've gone from XP to Vista to W7 and maintained same from day of acq. in 2006. It's Windows as an OS group, so going from Windows to Linux does not work, even if the rest is set up same. Why it succeeds or fails when having an actual data dir backup restored and properly linked to BOINC prior to first WCG server re-connect and other prerequisites met, I don't know.
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As I said before. Nothing else changed. Only my raid array which the BOINC folder resided on crashed. My OS drive remained intact. I have copied my BOINC data folder from format to format on the same hardware but I have always stopped it before and started it after with the same data. Never before has this happened.

I didn't even reinstall boinc initially. My raid arrary crashed (though the OS still saw it nothing was actually written to disc) and BOINC kept running like this for a few days. When I rebuilt the array after restarting the computer BOINC went and grabbed a new hostID. Now nothing I do can bring it back to that original hostID. I have tried reinstalling BOINC and copying over the BOINC data folder from a backup but it either grabs another new hostID or uses one of the ones it made in the past week.

I emailed that support e-mail above but have not received a response.

From that same wiki

"If the scheduling server receives an RPC with a sequence number less than the expected sequence number (usually indicating that the user has copied the client_state.xml file between computers) it creates a new database record and returns a new ID. "

But I am not copying between computers I am restoring a backup. And now since it already created a new hostID I am SOL.

Why does WCG insist on doing things against the grain with BOINC?
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WCG was there before BOINC came on the general crunching horizon :D We're still partially legacy UD code bound [to include the points instead of credit system]. Can't do anything much until that Siamese twin is surgically separated, without killing the system.

Snip "or uses one of the ones it made in the past week." confirms that it works. But for that RPC counter, which if out normally just dumps the work as considered stale and gets new... don't know why. My suspicion is that things have moved too far along, with multiple records now established with for that device. The servers would probably now revert to using the latest.

Anyway, please await reply from WCG. What we support through the forums by the tens of volunteers, has only one maybe two dealing with mails and everything else.

P.S. Maybe, maybe if just the account_www.worldcommunitygrid.org.xml, cc_config.xml are put in rather than the whole. Then there is no stale RPC counter to spoil things.... at least avoid to have any file in the data dir that has RPC counters in them before a connect is made. WCG might say hello, how are you?

Just thinking of ways to *fool* the system.
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