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Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

As acid rain decreases, water can get too clean. In a New Hampshire Study, data suggest recovery, but water could end up barren of salts necessary for life to thrive there.

See Chemical and Engineering New Online article.
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

Before homo sapiens sapiens from Europe reached the American continents and only Indians lived there and hundreds of thousands of bison... what do you think the ''natural'' conditions were in that patch of watershed? So here's one arguing that some man made pollution is good for the natural environment.

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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

It's not "one" arguing anything. It is a group of researchers conducting a decades-long study since the 60s on a small forest, the "Hubbard Brook Experimental Forest" in New Hampshire, and reporting their observations. They have published their results in a peer-reviewed study (Environ. Sci. Technol., DOI: 10.1021/es3000189).

And, if you actually read the article, you would have read, "The Hubbard Brook data also highlight a difficulty ecologists constantly face, says Kevin Bishop of the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences: Determining the 'natural baseline' of an ecosystem remains difficult."

I didn't "cherry pick" the article -- I'm a member of the American Chemical Society, and I happened to see this article in this weeks C&EN edition, and brought it up to the group, because it is obviously related to this forum.

And, I'm not finding fault with the CFSW project. The body of water in the CFSW project is so much large than this area, that there is no comparison -- a different set of problems.

BTW, when I worked for the U.S. Geological Survey, one of our USGS researchers conducted a study on mitigating acid runoff from Colorado mining in a stream, by setting up a pump to infuse a calcium carbonate solution into the stream. The effort was successful while the pump was running, but rapidly returned to the acid baseline when the pump was removed. In the USGS, we did a lot of work on water quality (I worked for the National Water Quality Laboratory in Denver.) One of our big projects was working with a waste treatment facility that was downstream from major pharmaceutical companies. The wastewater had large quantities of pharmaceuticals in it, and we were trying to determine the best way to reduce the water contamination.
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

Yes, I read it all and the last paragraph (you quote) offsets the argument posited of "good pollution".

Don't interpret my comment as opining either way on CFSW, but if you want to know You MUST understand all aspects of what you're doing to your environment.

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I don't think the cited article posits "good pollution". Obviously acid rain is not good pollution.
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"The data largely suggest recovery"

Other than that I saw alot of may's, if's, and could's.

Moving on.
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

I don't think you'll find any Bison in New Hampshire... Just plenty of Moose.
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

NASA computed all the water on the planet and balled that together and put it in perspective to planet Earth:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Picture of the Day... there's not a lot, just 700km in radius!

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edit: This is the direct link to the archived copy: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120515.html
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

NASA computed all the water on the planet and balled that together and put it in perspective to planet Earth:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Picture of the Day... there's not a lot, just 700km in radius!

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That is an amazing visual...
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Re: Interesting News and Discussion Regarding Sustainable Water Science

NASA computed all the water on the planet and balled that together and put it in perspective to planet Earth:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Picture of the Day... there's not a lot, just 700km in radius!

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Thanks for the post, SekeRob. This link will go to the desired page, now that it scrolled off "current" date:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120515.html
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