I can sense some contention among crunchers, but I can't seem to put a finger on what exactly it is. I see fredski as airing what he wants to see happen: a 'demand' or a 'request' or whatever one wants to call it, that WCG staff chime in and at least say "we are aware and working on it". That seems reasonable to me. A timely response from the WCG staff would have surely cleared the air or at least allow channelling of energies to bear into concern areas. The alternative, silence on WCG's part, serves only to fuel speculation which may invite a counter-speculation and with it beclouding whatever issue there may be -- making intelligent discussion difficult at best, and confrontational at worst when contending positions are given time, because of the continuing silence, to harden.

There is a price to pay to maintain a vibrant, active, enthusiastic, and intelligent cruncher community: silence is not one of them.
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I reported this problem 8 hours ago. I don't know what is going on, but I am interpreting the complete silence I am getting as a sign that people are too busy on the servers to chat. In general, I know that last month's BOINC upgrade slowed the system down because some processes / scripts could only run while others were stopped. knreed was talking about compensating for this by adding another physical server to our system on 5 April. And fredski misstated the situation by claiming the validator was off for more than 2 days when the posts show that the validator was overwhelmed and falling behind but still chugging away. There is a lot of work going on in the servers that I don't really know well enough to talk about. Anything I say about the background work may be misleading due to poor understanding on my part. I much prefer to wait until knreed makes a post about a situation.

Lawrence

Added: knreed just posted at https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,32929

Added: knreed posted at https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/...ad,32917_offset,20#372008

Added: knreed posted at https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/...ad,32917_offset,20#372018

1) The HCMD2 workunit sizing is simply because we are working through the children, grand children, etc of the batches we released. These have always proved to be smaller (sometimes dramtically) than the initial workunits. This is valid research necessary to complete the project. We are working to confirm if there are any more batches that we need to run before we can declare the project finished.

2) Validator/Transitioner issues. The database load has caused a backlog in time to validate (i.e. pending validation queue). Additionally the database load has caused the connection issues that were reported.

You weren't. You got an example of a project that DID do dodgy things, suffered for it and a statement of how THIS project is better.
The techs, scientists and CAs here go to considerable lengths to keep us informed of what's going on. They have been consistently helpful and provided, to use my own words, "orders of magnitude" more information and feedback than is received in other major (and still running) projects. (Since you really wanted a "lecture", here you go, "Sunshine") What the WCG staff and CA volunteers are NOT required to do is pander to whiny little children who get their knickers in a knot because they weren't personally asked if it's ok by them for the servers to receive breakdown work, or a new project started, or work unit times to vary or people to get a day off. WE VOLUNTEERED to help them. WE OFFERED. The project doesn't owe us anything and people need to start being grateful for the great communication we DO receive rather than chucking a hissy fit if there's a ten second delay in some minor glitch being explained or question answered that they could have sorted themselves faster by using the forum Search function.
Want to know why I'm so fed up with petulant children on the forums? I've crunched on a number of projects since 1999 and this one, while not "perfect" is definitely one of if not THE best for consistent communication, transparency and personal effort being put in by the project staff etc. I'm fed up with people whining, complaining and attacking WCG and making unreasonable demands (there was a guy quite recently who threatened to leave if he didn't get his GPU app RIGHT F'ING NOW! ) while the WCG staff just have to put up with all the unfair, childish rubbish and "play nice". Aside from having to comply with forum rules like everybody else, I DON'T have to put up with tantrums and neither do the rest of the forum members.
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There, your got your "lecture". Happy now?

Dave I chuckled at your last line very poetic.