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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
........and at least once per year we have someone come up and say the system is meaningless.....they are shot down......but still they come......and still others remain and others join........
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bjbdbest
Master Cruncher Joined: May 11, 2007 Post Count: 2333 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Whatever the thoughts on this matter...the importance remains the same.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The points, badges, results returned count, milestones, stat sites and so on make it interesting and fun.
Why try to undo what others did? Why take the fun away? To sit on some moral high ground? If we could vote on No badges vs higher badges I doubt that many would vote against badges. |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Points are not creating contention between participants. Furthermore points generate some kind of friendly emulation.
----------------------------------------I consider that points are really important for measuring efficiency within WCG. Outside WCG, I am not participating to other grid computing projects. For this reason, I do not have to manage significant differences between various grid computing projects. But points allow me to monitor hosts performance. Some times in the past, it was possible to recognize project malfunctions, because the daily average earned points dropped dramatically down. Points are finally a kind of "Key Performance Indicator" (KPI). If you consider that points are not important, you should ignore them. But you should be aware that some teams crunching for several grid platforms come from time to time for supporting WCG. Such teams would probably not come again if WCG would not grant points anymore. Every contribution is important, and it is reasonable to honor contribution. Cheers, Yves |
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mikaok
Senior Cruncher Finland Joined: Aug 8, 2006 Post Count: 489 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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As for the "bone of contention between users", I have not seen this to be a problem in the forum. I have only seen healthy progress comparatives between forum users. I'm not sure if you can call this a real competition, as there is no losers. But to admit, the winning isn't easy either 
to infinity and beyond
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jonnieb-uk
Ace Cruncher England Joined: Nov 30, 2011 Post Count: 6105 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm not sure if you can call this a real competition Call it what you will, except a "bone of contention". Anything that engenders greater interest in WGC be it:
and encourages people to donate/recruit more resources for the benefit of the projects, is to be welcomed. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I'm not sure if you can call this a real competition, as there is no losers. But to admit, the winning isn't easy either Let's call it friendly competition, or just fun. It's not about losing or winning (as it's impossible), it's about participation. It's not a race. We are just taking part in a continuous fun-run, where people can run when they like, stop, continue where they left off, jog, sprint a bit and eventually pass one of the infinite batons on. So bring on the Avatar's/Gravatar's, new projects, better stats, graphs, more badges and whatever else enhances the crunching experience  |
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mikey
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2009 Post Count: 826 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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They aren't good for anything other than "bragging rights" and even that is dubious. I've read what points supposedly represent and think it's BS. I have several computers running WCG. When I go and look at points calculations for each WU, I see other computers that take more time than mine to finish and get a lower point calculation than my computer. Then see the points averaged between the computers that finished them. So my computers end up getting fewer points by the "work done calculation." Points are irrelevant anyway. It is the science that is being done that is important. Therefore, it is the computer power that is being DONATED that is important. CPU hours and WU's completed are the true yardstick. The more WU's completed (successfully), the closer science gets to finding badly needed answers. I started doing this just a few years ago and participated in many projects. Now I have a friend dying of cancer. I'm not monitarily wealthy, but I have a few multi-core computers at my disposal and some do nothing else but crunch WU's all day long. And I've dedicated all that processing power to Help Conquer Cancer. The concept of awarding points is moot, so stop doing it. It only serves to create a bone of contention between users. Stop creating feelings of animosity among users. CGOS edit: spelling Sorry to hear about your friend, I am sure you and everyone participating in the Cancer Research are doing as much as they can! As for the points system being scrapped...I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. So thinking of a 'better way' may be to remove the cross project stats and ONLY compare stats WITHIN a project. As you said WCG provides much fewer credits than some other projects, and some more than other projects, wouldn't it be better if we ONLY compare your WCG stats to other peoples WCG stats, and not let any other projects stats not be a topic of conversation as they are a total different entity? I think the problem with stats is each project is independent of every other project, therefore they can each set their own stats, and I think rightly so after all it is THEIR project. But this makes any comparison between projects silly and pointless. It is kind of like saying 'nah, nah, nah my pc is faster than yours!' That is hardly the point, we have different hardware, maybe different Operating Systems, different programs running on every pc etc, etc, etc! They are not comparable!! Well neither are the different Boinc Projects, it is like comparing apples to oranges and wondering why we always get a fruit salad!   |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Besides, my stats are wrong, they ignore work I did in '06 and '07 by assuming that work was contributed by a member of my "team" which doesn't even exist! Note that they assume I joined in '09.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Welcome to the forums,
Sorry, but nobody ''assumes'' anything. You created this account in 2009 and if you contributed in 2006/2007, it was under a different member name, maybe just misspelled or an extra space or whatever. If you remember the email address with which that 2006/2007 account was registered, you can actually recover that information by going here http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/login/forgotMemberName.do and asking to send all member names that were registered with that address.Of course the reply will go to that email address and no other, so if you retired the mail account, it becomes difficult. If you have a reply, then in a second step you can recover the password for those accounts with this page http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/login/forgotPassword.do Whilst you may recover the account, it remains not possible to merge these accounts. Not expecting that to ever be possible anywhere in BOINC world. --//-- |
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