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Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

Currently looking at buying a new laptop. I'd prefer an i7-2xxxQM chip but am unsure which would be most effective at PPD. I don't stick to one single project so I'm looking for something that will be good overall for WCG.

I'll be using a standard 7200 RPM SATA hard drive in this machine, not SSD, due to space/cost requirements. I'll have 8GB DDR3 in it as well. I'm not worried about using the system for much else other than some web-surfing so no requirements there. Not using a RAMDISK.

Between the following does anyone know which is best for WCG, not just new and shiny?
i7-2860QM 8MB Cache, 2.5GHz->3.6GHz
i7-2760QM 6MB Cache, 2.2GHz->3.5GHz
i7-2720QM 6MB Cache, 2.2GHz->3.3GHz
i7-2670QM 6MB Cache, 2.2GHz->3.1GHz

They all have Turbo-Boost 2.0, Hyper-Threading, 4 cores and 8 threads.

I just don't want to spend more on a chip than need be. Some actual tested results would be awesome, if possible.

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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

Hi faldor,
biggrin This sort of topic always interests people. My own feeling is that the key limitation to worry about in a laptop is cooling. In a desktop the CPU speed and overclocking can be matched with non-stock coolers but laptops are more limited.

About half a year ago I checked out the CPU specs and decided that the I7-2600K series and the I5-2500K series looked like the sweet spot in flops per watt. But this was just notional tech thinking. You have to look at specific machines and sales prices. Still, since you are buying a laptop with a fixed number of watts it can cool, looking at those with an I7-2600K or I5-2500K cpu and pricing them is what I would consider doing. In fact, because heat might mandate a clock slowdown, I would seriously consider an I5 if the price were lower even though it could not hyperthread like an I7.

blushing This is all idle speculation on my part. I have not been studying the latest reviews and pricing systems. I am really just showing how I approach decisions like this without doing any hard work checking real specs.

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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

I thought turbo was only used when other cores weren't as busy. Could be wrong, but I don't think there's a difference between bottom 3. As far as crunching on all cores is concerned.
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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

5pot:
I was under the impression from Intel's spec sheets that Turbo would be used whenever it needed more power to complete the workload.

The algorithm being based on:
# of active cores (all with WCG)
estimated current consumption
estimated power consumption
processor temperature

"When the processor is operating below these limits and the user's workload demands additional performance, the processor frequency will dynamically increase until the upper limit of frequency is reached. " - Intel

Still trying to figure out their algorithms myself. I could seriously be misreading their spec sheet or misunderstanding how all the different algorithms play together. (i.e. power management, etc.)

lawrencehardin:
Yeah I guess what I was wondering was if the newer chipsets with the faster speeds actually provided any better PPD performance than the older ones. The i5 chipsets only seem to have 2 cores and I thought the i7s with 4 cores would allow 4 workunits to run at once instead of the two I have running on my Core2Duo.

Am I wrong about the 4 cores allowing me to run 4 WCG processes?

I agree it would depend on the specific machine, varying based on the system, bus, memory, timing, etc...

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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

The i7 will allow you to run 8 processes (assuming you have HT on). Yes, turbo is basically meaningless when all cores are busy. Intel is going to make it appear best from a marketing perspective, but turbo only kicks in when there are idle (or nearly so) cores which allows the active core to speed up without overheating the chip.

As with any chip, a faster clock speed will give you more ppd. Mobile processors will give you a lower performance than desktop chips, but they also use less energy. Buy the best you can afford is the best advice anyone can give you to maximize ppd.
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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

Hello faldor,
Here is a quick review page at http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-...00k-core-i3-2100-tested/2 It shows that the I7 has 4 hyperthreaded cores, the I5 has 4 cores without hyperthreading and with 3/4 as much L3 cache and the I3 has 2 hyperthreaded cores. But I think that the cooling in a laptop will often slow down the clock if you run all-out on 4 cores, which is why I do not consider the I7 to be an automatic win. If heat-limited, the I5 might be almost as fast and cost less. My personal opinion is that laptop cooling can handle dual cores but that the manufacturers consider 4 cores a luxury option and pay more attention to jacking up price than they do to improving cooling.

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Experience opine: Not the 2720QM as that was succeeded by the 2760QM. As for the choice, look for a gaming laptop... more cooling design included, so that's what I got after letting several run with BOINC on it in a shop for 24 hours... and getting 3 years guarantee. 70 watts/Hour per Kill-O-Watt meter, battery removed, at 2.6Ghz during daytime, 2.7 or 2.8 during the night, but then eating 75-80 watts/hour]. The system switches autonomously up and down in steps of 99.8Mhz, based on 3 settings: power saving [1.9ghz], max performance, max cooling [which sets the fan to max, barely audible to me, but locks the cycles at default 2.2]. Notably the system switched up to 2.8 when the system had BOINC paused, and a DVD running], hardly ever seen it hit the max of 3.1 only done in short bursts, then throttled due the temps shooting up.

Not sure what was meant with having a 7200rpm SATA... would not mess with the innards of any newly bought laptop, but for maxing RAM. Given the 99.6% efficiency reached with 4 concurrent CEP2 of eight threads with a 5400 rpm drive, more rpm will not gain anything meaningful... not even an expensive wear exposed SSD.

And if you've got money to spare and time to wait for the ''newest/shiniest"... go for the Ivy bridge [same price as SB is said] probably hitting the consumer market in 3-4 months [meaning down here by X-mas]. Saw first tests and they do 8-9% more, cycle for cycle, but then is this a purchase to replace something old [my case 5+ years old 85 watts/hour duo and meant to be used for the next 5+ years] or just for crunching 99% of the time.

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edit: Oh, and it makes 1 iota of difference if running BOINC with 2 threads, 4 or 8, system control is based on hottest core, not the mean, so that was kind of a [had to be expected] bummer.
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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

been looking at the new ASUS i7 laptop duel fan and air intake in front and out the back in duel vents. sounds like a better cooling situtation the other's i've seen
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Re: Which of these i7 CPUs would be best for WCG in a laptop?

My 2720 run at 2.6 GHz with a fan pointing at the naked backside (backplate removed). It uses 65 W and does 3400-3600 PPD. With backplate in place and no fan it stays at 2.2 GHz most of the time. 100% dedicated cruncher when it crunch.
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Done that... removing cover plate whilst sitting on a notepal with 3 fans, but that impacts the air circulation through the system... no longer per design... the route of least resistance. Other places inside will get hotter than is desirable... the GPU area e.g. as I've found.

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