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Re: DDR3 Ram Speed Is Faster Better For WCG?



My recents test with the 3960X and the Asus sabertooth motherboard using Corsair 8GB DDR3 2000 MHz in Quad channel mode, brings no visible or measurable improvement compared to the Triple channel 6GB configuration with the same Corsair DDR3 RAM.
RAM is so cheap now that 4, 6, 8 GB are not an issue anymore.

Thank you. Just for curiosity's sake would you try an experiment with your 3960X and lower the ram speed to 1600MHz or even 1333MHz and see if there's any measurable difference?
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Done already at 1600. No visible difference. At 1333, why would anyone do that?
There could be a difference however with the CL parameter. That measures the memory latency. The meory I use are CL8 or CL9 in case of the 3960X. You can find DDR3 that has been tested and selected at CL7 or even lower at high speed but they are horribly expensive. Normally if you have top quality DDR3 from a reputable supplier you can run it one notch below, But you must also take care with the other RAM parameters if you want more and then you have to play with voltages etc. etc. But when you run your memory at the limit you are sure that on a machine that runs 24/7 you will have at least one freeze over a few days aor a week period. I have settings that allow stable operation over weeks and months. My testing is made on that basis.
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Done already at 1600. No visible difference. At 1333, why would anyone do that?

Because I wanted to know if you saw, like I have seen, no visible difference at 1333 MHZ over 1600 MHz.
Also, if you saw no visible difference @ 1600 MHz over 2000 MHz. which speed do you use and why. It seems to me that the ram and the controllers would be less stressed and less likely to fail at lower speeds when there is nothing to be gained by running it faster .
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Re: DDR3 Ram Speed Is Faster Better For WCG?

Out of interest would I gain a over all performance increase going from Kingston 1333 CL9 ram to MUSHKIN REDLINE RIDGEBACK 1600 CL7?
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PS. The chart is just a limited number of tested RAM module types. That motherboard accepts many other brands and does take 4GB modules, for up to 24GB (not that you need any more than 12GB).


My new 1090T X6 machine is using an Asrock 990FX Extreme4 motherboard that has 16gb of ram but Windows says only 12gb is usable! I am running 64bit Win7 Ultimate so it is not the OS, I got ddr3-1333 for $29US per 8gb, so I filled it up. My other brand new machine an AMD FX-6100 X6 machine has an Asus M5A99X EVO motherboard amd it also has the same kind of 16gb of ram, has the same OS and it does not have that message, indicating all 16gb is usable. Obviously the Asrock board is not nearly as good as the Asus board in some respects, but I heard they are made by Asus too.
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would I gain a over all performance increase going from Kingston 1333 CL9 ram to MUSHKIN REDLINE RIDGEBACK 1600 CL7?
Yes, but the increase would be very small, possibly unnoticeable, and thus not worth it.
Unless you play a specific game or use a specialist application that is known to see improvements with the upgrade there is no point in buying. Save the money for a real upgrade, like a GPU.

mikey159b, you might need to upgrade the Bios, but this is a common situation when Windows allocates system memory to a GPU. If you are using an NVidia GPU you can check by doing the following; Right click on the desktop, click NVidia Control Panel, system information (bottom left corner), and look for 'shared system memory'. I think you can check using Catalyst, should you have an AMD GPU. XP does not 'normally' allocate system RAM to the GPU this way.
Another way to test this in Windows (only really applies to Vista/7) is to click start and type dxdiag. Under display it will tell you how much overall memory is being associated with the GPU. If you know how much is on-board the GPU you can work out what is being allocated from system memory and thus work out what system memory is unavailable to the operating system for other things.
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would I gain a over all performance increase going from Kingston 1333 CL9 ram to MUSHKIN REDLINE RIDGEBACK 1600 CL7?
Yes, but the increase would be very small, possibly unnoticeable, and thus not worth it.
Unless you play a specific game or use a specialist application that is known to see improvements with the upgrade there is no point in buying. Save the money for a real upgrade, like a GPU.

thanks for your advice skgiven
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mikey159b, you might need to upgrade the Bios, but this is a common situation when Windows allocates system memory to a GPU. If you are using an NVidia GPU you can check by doing the following; Right click on the desktop, click NVidia Control Panel, system information (bottom left corner), and look for 'shared system memory'. I think you can check using Catalyst, should you have an AMD GPU. XP does not 'normally' allocate system RAM to the GPU this way.
Another way to test this in Windows (only really applies to Vista/7) is to click start and type dxdiag. Under display it will tell you how much overall memory is being associated with the GPU. If you know how much is on-board the GPU you can work out what is being allocated from system memory and thus work out what system memory is unavailable to the operating system for other things.


I found it!!! Thank you very much it is in the dxdiag, I have Win7, I have 2 gpu's each with 1 gb of memory of onboard memory, but each is taking 3 gb of memory! That makes the numbers work out, 16gb of total memory minus 2 for each card makes 12, which is what it says!! This is on a 1090T cpu but my Bulldozer FX-6100 cpu does NOT show that, in fact it shows LESS memory than what the card actually has!!
They are both crunching just fine so all is okay, both machines have dual AMD 5770 gpu's in them.
THANK YOU!!!
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Re: DDR3 Ram Speed Is Faster Better For WCG?

Oops, that's an oldy... the VDU grabbing core ram. My 8 Gig machine shows 7.68 GB usable. The GPU card has 256MB, but in dxdiag shows to have 786. Thanks for that refresher.

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Done already at 1600. No visible difference. At 1333, why would anyone do that?

Because I wanted to know if you saw, like I have seen, no visible difference at 1333 MHZ over 1600 MHz.
Also, if you saw no visible difference @ 1600 MHz over 2000 MHz. which speed do you use and why. It seems to me that the ram and the controllers would be less stressed and less likely to fail at lower speeds when there is nothing to be gained by running it faster .


Many boards are now rated with 1600 Mhz or over and 2000 MHz DDR3 is cheap enough as long as you do not request very low latencies, I mean under CL8. So using 2000 Mhz DDR3 running at 1600 is perfect and safe without stress for the whole system. In that case going down to 1333 would be an overkill.
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