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Hypernova
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As I promised in another thread here are some preliminary results regarding the new Intel i7 3960X (extreme) hexacore CPU.
----------------------------------------I will compare them to the Intel i7 980X hexacore that I considered as the best cruncher across many criteria. You can search for threads where I discussed the 980X in length. First the CPU's in brief: i7 980X (hexacore, 32nm, 12 MB cache, 3.33 GHz, 3.6 GHz turbo, socket 1366) i7 3960X (hexacore, 32 nm, 15 MB cache, 3.33 GHz, 3.9 GHz turbo, socket 2011) Not much difference at least from outside. The design of the 3960X is more recent, the processor was available on retail in Q4/2011. The 980X is much older and was put on the market Q1/2010 that is two years ago. So how better is the 3960X for crunching at WCG. The machine "MERCURY" that houses the 3960X is pretty along my standard: Lancool K62 (mid tower very well cooled), Corsair AX 850 Watts power supply, Raptor 300GB 10'000 rpm HDD, 2'000 MHz 4GB DDR3 RAM, Asus Sabertooth X79 Mainboard, Corsair H100 water cooling, and that's it. In fact it is a machine I had already but the HDD crashed and the motherbord had some problems with memory. I took away the 980X to put it in place of a 950 cruncher on another machine, and refurbished the rig. It will be compared to "ANTARES" that runs a 980X at 4.2 GHz and has a similar setup but with 6GB 2'000 MHz DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Crucial 300 SSD connected on Sata 6GB. The board is an Asus Rampage III. CPU cooler is Corsair H80 waterblock. Power is also 850 Watts Gold. MERCURY has been running at 3.6 GHz for the moment. Power measured at the wall socket is 198 Watts. The eight day average stands at 42'255 ppd. The CPU runs at a core temp of about 65/70 degrees. ANTARES is running at 4.2 GHz. Power measured at the wall socket is 285 Watts. The eight day average stands at 54'275 ppd. The CPU runs at a core temp around 50/55 degrees. We can already see that the 3960X runs hot with high core temps. Some ratios now: MERCURY: 11.73 ppd/MHz, 213.4 points/watt ANTARES: 12.92 ppd/Mhz, 190.4 points/watt From this short test we see that the 980X beats the 3960X for points by 10%. On the other side the 3960X seems to be less energy hungry than the 980X by 10%. I pushed the 3960X at 4.3 GHz. Energy consumption was very interesting at 268 Watts which is 17 Watts less than the 980X at 4.2 GHz. But I ran into a big big problem. Core temps went through the roof at over 90 degrees Celsius. The 980X at 4.3 runs near 300 Watts but the core temps remain acceptable at 70/75. The 3960X seems to be less energy hungry clock per clock, but does not overclock well. It should be able to run at 4.3 GHz. I will check cooling and some more tests. If some of you have the same type of problem please post. Conclusion, if you have a 980X, keep them they are the best. Mine are now running since two years and are still the best crunchers. I will change only when 22 nm CPU's with 3D gate design and with 8 or 10 cores will be available. Only then a big improvement will be possible. ![]() [Edit 3 times, last edit by Hypernova at Dec 30, 2011 5:55:38 AM] |
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Very disappointing results so far
----------------------------------------![]() I would be interested in which tasks you were running on each system, and seeing some like for like run times. Were the last couple of days any better for the 3960X or is the running average fairly static? A couple of things I would question about your setup: Is that 4GB DDR3 dual channel; 2x2GB? The LGA2011 boards are designed for quad channel DDR3, so dual channel would be a step down from the triple channel in the 980 rather than a step up. A quad channel setup could relieve a bottleneck and improve performance. I would also expect the Raptors performance to be less than the SSD. Might also make a slight difference. When overclocking the 980 you are actually overclocking the entire system. The 3960 just uses turbo, so you are raising the clock but not giving it the support of a faster motherboard and RAM. Thanks for the post ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by skgiven at Dec 8, 2011 11:08:01 PM] |
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trn-XS
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Something seems not quite right so far; maybe early initial results?
----------------------------------------The SB (and SB-E) architecture should be about 10% - 15% better than the older nahalem architecture clock for clock in just performance. SB's like the 2600k have already shown us this; I think those 3960X numbers will start to creep upward with more run time. Slap a better cooler on that SB-E or check your mount; something seems not right with your temps. Keep us posted and good work so far with the analysis. ![]() |
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Hypernova
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Is that 4GB DDR3 dual channel; 2x2GB? The LGA2011 boards are designed for quad channel DDR3, so dual channel would be a step down from the triple channel in the 980 rather than a step up. A quad channel setup could relieve a bottleneck and improve performance. I would also expect the Raptors performance to be less than the SSD. Might also make a slight difference. skgiven, yes you are right. The socket 2011 is quad channel. I believe this should not make much difference (past experience between dual and tri-channel), but now I have installed 8GB in 4 x 2GB modules Corsair 2000 MHz DDR3 RAM. we will see if things improve. Regarding the HDD versus SSD I do not see much difference. ANTARES compared to MARS which have same setups except that MARS has an HDD 300 GB Raptor. On the same 8 day average they have nearly exactly the same ppd, a few hundred points difference. The cost of an SSD is not justified here. This is why I have only one rig with SSD. The advantage of the SSD will be energy consumption that is much lower. All my machines crunch at the moment exactly the same mix of projects: DSFL, GFAM, HDMC2. Regarding cooling issue I must admit that the UEFI on the motherboard is new for me and there are so many options that I have to study a little. I have also to check the cooler. Still some work to do. ![]() |
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First the 3960 is a 6 core processor that runs 12 threads.
With temps like that I'd say remove the cooler and clean it and the processor off with rubbing alcohol. Then apply a thin layer of artic silver and re-apply. Also when you remove the cooler look at the pattern from the old. See if maybe the cpu wasn't completely coverred. Also here's a short article that shows the expected temps of the 3960 overclocked near your settings. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/107147-i...is-water-worth-the-cost/2 |
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Hypernova
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I have not touched yet the cooler and the CPU mounting, but simply by improving the parameter setup in the BIOS I am now running at 4.0GHz and the DDR3 Runs at 1836 instead of 1600 MHz, all with the same core temps I had at 3.6 GHz.
----------------------------------------I think now if I want to move to 4.2 -4.5 GHz, and this CPU is capable of, then I need to improve the cooling. The problem comes from the fact that the Corsair H100 I use is designed with two 120mm fans that are to be bolted on. Unfortunately my Lancool case has on top two 140 mm fans. I have thus put the radiator under them instead of using the Corsair ventilators as I have no space for them. Bu the result is not perfect as there is a distance between radiator and fans and so the air that is pulled through the radiator is also coming from the sides of the radiator. As a result the H100 is not working up to the max it should do. I will probably take away the H100 and try another system. Maybe liquid nitrogen ![]() ![]() |
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ryan222h
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I have not touched yet the cooler and the CPU mounting, but simply by improving the parameter setup in the BIOS I am now running at 4.0GHz and the DDR3 Runs at 1836 instead of 1600 MHz, all with the same core temps I had at 3.6 GHz. I think now if I want to move to 4.2 -4.5 GHz, and this CPU is capable of, then I need to improve the cooling. The problem comes from the fact that the Corsair H100 I use is designed with two 120mm fans that are to be bolted on. Unfortunately my Lancool case has on top two 140 mm fans. I have thus put the radiator under them instead of using the Corsair ventilators as I have no space for them. Bu the result is not perfect as there is a distance between radiator and fans and so the air that is pulled through the radiator is also coming from the sides of the radiator. As a result the H100 is not working up to the max it should do. I will probably take away the H100 and try another system. Maybe liquid nitrogen ![]() Can you use a couple slim fans to screw to the H100? Is there space? I know a few manufacturers make slim 120mm fans that should fit your H100... Check the Egg for the Scythe SY1212SL12M 120mm fan...I have used these fans successfully on a number of slim builds. Combine these fans with the 140's that you have and your temps should decrease significantly...would be easier than trying to work out a whole new cooling solution ![]() |
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A simple pipe [maybe funnel shaped] fitted from fan to cooling block with minimal but no contact on the block to prevent vibration transfer, or torque from casing onto the CPU/Cooling assembly will maximize flow through the cooling ribs and the warmed air to move directly outside.
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nanoprobe
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@Hypernova. Have you ever considered building a rack or other type of system so you can run caseless? I built a vertical one out of wood and use foam type filters that come on window mount type AC units across the entire front to keep dust out. Makes for cool running and easy maintenance.
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Hypernova
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You are absolutely right nanoprobe.
----------------------------------------My idea was to have "boxes" that when needed can be moved and immediately can be used for other purpose. It happened when one of my kid needed one to be converted into a trading workstation. I just moved it out to him. When my youngest had to change his PC I just moved one of my last 950's to his room. One of my ideas was after some time maybe to donate some of those "boxes" for schools in poor countries. In my configuration it is straightforward to add or take one box away. I have ordered the new Noctua NH14 for the 2011 socket, I will replace the H100 and compare results. Stay tuned. ![]() |
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