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l_mckeon
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I think there is a problem interaction between C4CW and Kaspersky where the AV constantly thrashes the HD and hogs the CPU when tasks are running.
It's bad enough that I have to put BOINC on snooze to surf the web because of constant freezes. Kaspersky rates C4CW tasks as high risk. I've been using Kaspersky for years and this is the first time I've had this problem. Any comments? |
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rilian
Veteran Cruncher Ukraine - we rule! Joined: Jun 17, 2007 Post Count: 1460 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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known problem
----------------------------------------add c4cw applications and whole boinc /data folder to white list |
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Sekerob
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Hi,
----------------------------------------If you hit the search box (right top forum) and enter Kaspersky, you'll find that this security software gets an above average number of reports. Generally, set a scan exception on the BOINC data_dir and subdirs (path in client message log, start section). WCG/IBM takes utmost care and audits every piece of science application and BOINC code itself to ensure there is nothing of an insecure piece of code anywhere in what they distribute. Can't have that being infected when Corporations and partners such as colleges andd universities donate large farms of computers to the cause. Some security software has a pop up appearing when a new science appears (Comodo and Zone Alarm e.g.). Then OK and set it to remember your OK selection so on the next job it will not ask again when you're away and things freeze up or even get automatically removed or quarantined. cheers
WCG
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l_mckeon
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Hi, WCG/IBM takes utmost care and audits every piece of science application and BOINC code itself to ensure there is nothing of an insecure piece of code anywhere in what they distribute. Can't have that being infected when Corporations and partners such as colleges andd universities donate large farms of computers to the cause. Thanks for info. While I don't think the tasks are dangerous, I wonder if there may be a touch of the Vista/UAC problem. That is, programs requesting more rights than they actually need. Mickeysoft have said that the UAC was directed at programmers, not the users. BTW, if the tasks were crypto signed it might improve a program's credibility, at least in Kaspersky's eyes, judging by some of the alerts they put up. |
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Recluce
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While the Windows box at home (Windows XP and Kaspersky Internet Security) does not cause alert messages from Kaspersky on Clean Water Task, all the tasks come back with "Error". My Ubuntu box for some reason never gets Clean Water taks.
Since WCG is hardly buying me a new antivirus software, I have no choice but to sign off from this project. |
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Sekerob
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While the Windows box at home (Windows XP and Kaspersky Internet Security) does not cause alert messages from Kaspersky on Clean Water Task, all the tasks come back with "Error". My Ubuntu box for some reason never gets Clean Water taks. Since WCG is hardly buying me a new antivirus software, I have no choice but to sign off from this project. Not getting C4CW on Ubuntu is because the amount of these tasks put in the feeder is still being picked up by the exclusive crunchers (record day for this science on Sunday). Select it as your only project and you get as many as you want, whilst not getting them at all may be that the auto-opt-in is not selected in the associated profile. WCG wont buy you an AV, for there are excellent alternatives for free. Avira, Avast, AVG to name a few, using BitDefender for Unices on my Ubuntu box. Quite a few members have commented that Kaspersky is worse then having a real virus, myself I have never tried it, so can't speak by experience. Some are just endlessly aggressive with the heuristic logic functions to detect what ain't there, so generally setting science app exceptions and data_dir scan exclusion gets rid of that problem. Be aware that BOINC itself is sandboxed (with limited rights account) and does lots of housekeeping, md5/crc checking and tracks what files should be there, so not considering it to be unsave in any way... heck WCG has even larger Corporations donating their spare computing capacity. Scan the partner list. -- SekeRob
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nasher
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i have also heard that noton and symantic also list some of the projects now and then as virus when this happens i tend to loose people who i managed to convince to run these projects.
----------------------------------------this has happened in the past and i am sure it will happen in the future. this is one of the biggest problems with all DC projects if any Anti-V program even once identifies any one of the projects as a virus then people instantly uninstall Boinc all together and you cant convince them to run any of them again.  |
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Recluce
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While the Windows box at home (Windows XP and Kaspersky Internet Security) does not cause alert messages from Kaspersky on Clean Water Task, all the tasks come back with "Error". My Ubuntu box for some reason never gets Clean Water taks. Since WCG is hardly buying me a new antivirus software, I have no choice but to sign off from this project. Not getting C4CW on Ubuntu is because the amount of these tasks put in the feeder is still being picked up by the exclusive crunchers (record day for this science on Sunday). Select it as your only project and you get as many as you want, whilst not getting them at all may be that the auto-opt-in is not selected in the associated profile. WCG wont buy you an AV, for there are excellent alternatives for free. Avira, Avast, AVG to name a few, using BitDefender for Unices on my Ubuntu box. Quite a few members have commented that Kaspersky is worse then having a real virus, myself I have never tried it, so can't speak by experience. Some are just endlessly aggressive with the heuristic logic functions to detect what ain't there, so generally setting science app exceptions and data_dir scan exclusion gets rid of that problem. Be aware that BOINC itself is sandboxed (with limited rights account) and does lots of housekeeping, md5/crc checking and tracks what files should be there, so not considering it to be unsave in any way... heck WCG has even larger Corporations donating their spare computing capacity. Scan the partner list. -- SekeRob Kaspersky is actually one of the better AV products for Windows, even though it is going in the wrong direction recently (too much bloat, "featureitis"). Avira, Avast and AVG all have their own problems (false positives, bad detection rate). I donate my CPU time to BOINC, but I cannot justifly making any big changes to the system just for the sake of the Clean Water project. I will just donate my CPU time to the other worthy causes on WCG. To the programmers of "Clean Water": if the tasks cause false positives on a major Antivirus product, you will loose members by the score. And worse, many will not just use BOINC to participate in other projects, but just uninstall it. Thus, consider "Clean Water" BROKEN and FIX IT! |
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l_mckeon
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Kaspersky may not be entirely to blame. The link below is a screenshot of XP SP3 Task Manager showing C4CW running WITHOUT Kaspersky.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wombat_56/5009207697/ You'll note that the CPUs are running at less than 100%, while the yellow block in the task bar (with the "35" temp reading) is a graph of disk activity, showing the disks working at 100% (Anvir Task Manager). This pattern is not limited to check points, the disks are being worked heavily all the time. I have 3GB of RAM and the tasks take 79MB of memory each, so the whole processing could be done in RAM, with the only need to access the disks being at initialisation and ckeckpointing. So what's with all the disk access? |
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Sekerob
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Hi,
----------------------------------------please go to the BOINC Activity menu and set to Run Always and observe. If it goes away it means you´ve got the BOINC CPU Time % set to less than 100%. Both my Windows and Linux boxes presently only running C4CW show flat out 100% line stuck to the top of the chart. Please tell.
WCG
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