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darth_vader
Veteran Cruncher A galaxy far, far away... Joined: Jul 13, 2005 Post Count: 514 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Have you also considered running the processors at less than 100%? Obviously, it would be a bit of a balancing act to still get good throughput per watt, i.e. it will probably be better to run 5 machines at 80% than running 10 machines at 40%. Also, remember that GPUs generate a lot of heat. If your system boards have integrated graphics, maybe the GPUs could be removed for the summer.
Where I live, it is usually 85F - 105F (sometimes hotter) all summer and I can't run any of my systems at 100% except for the occasional cool night. - D |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for all your advices.
----------------------------------------I negotiated to have one single machine running. It is purely symbolic. This will be planet MARS the god of war against the heat .I am waiting now to have a specialist is ventilation and cooling to come and study my case. I will keep you posted. ![]() |
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Marc Andre Wyss
Advanced Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jun 4, 2009 Post Count: 57 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Hypernova
----------------------------------------This is not the cheapest solution, but it is a bit greener than just blowing the heat out in the world. Everyone knows that water stores heat better than air. So, why not use watercooling? But you may reply that the heat is still there. Yes, of course. Watercooling is just step one. Just use water will not solve your problem. It just may reduce your problem a little bit. The main question is what do you do with your warm water: - You can use it for your warm water production. Of course you will not need that much warm water in the summer, but if you are like me, you still want to have some warm water in your daily shower. - If you have a pool, you can use it to warm your pool. - If you have a sauna, you can use it to warm your sauna. This last option may please your wife. :-) The exchange would always be the same. The cooling circle would give it's heat through exchange to another water circle. And yes, I'm serious about it. I'm not joking... |
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sk..
Master Cruncher http://s17.rimg.info/ccb5d62bd3e856cc0d1df9b0ee2f7f6a.gif Joined: Mar 22, 2007 Post Count: 2324 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If you are running Vista or Win 7 you could underclock the systems (Power Options). In itself that would half the power consumption and substantially and noticeably reduce both heat and noise!
----------------------------------------If you use water cooling instead of fans, might it be possible (secure) to put the reservoir outside? Bolt it to the ground or wall and use tubing to bring it in through the window? Basically most of the CPU heat generated would be released outside that way. http://www.gadgetgrid.com/2008/02/14/computer-water-cooling-reserator-1-v2/ PS. I have the same problem; 32deg C in my office. My solution may eventually be to consolidate several GPU's into one system and do away with a couple of dual core systems for a quad or 6 core system. I guess there are a few of us with similar problems. Last year I hooked up a 12cm case fan to draw cool air into the room and just stuck it on the window frame - it helped. [Edit 1 times, last edit by skgiven at Jun 7, 2010 4:54:15 PM] |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Unfortunately Marc Andre, I have neither a swimming pool nor a sauna. Would love that. To heat them with desktop hot air. That would have been excellent.
----------------------------------------At the moment I am designing a heat pipe that runs on top of 9 rigs to capture the hot air blown from the back of the desktops and sucked by a 200-250 mm turbine to blow the air outside of the building. This should help. There will be an additional cooling system but with lower consumption as a big share of the hot air should be expelled by the previous pipe and need not be cooled. skgiven, I have decided to run one machine at full power for the moment. I did not talk about the noise but this also an issue. Eleven devices running full power with 7 cooling fans each that is 77 cooling fans and I can tell you it is a heck* of a noise. The door being open you can hear them in all the basement. So in the future the door will have to be shut which creates more constraints for cooling. *edited to appropriate forum language - ErikaT ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by ErikaT at Jun 7, 2010 10:34:54 PM] |
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sk..
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Tubing and outlet fittings for tumble dryers might be of interest?
----------------------------------------http://www.espares.co.uk/datastore/ProductImages/610576.jpg http://www.espares.co.uk/datastore/ProductImages/726933.jpg Might dampen the noise somewhat too. I think you would be better off running 2 systems at normal speeds because, when you overclock you use more electric and generate more heat. The amount of heat generated increases further when you increase the voltages. While an i7 can overclock very well, it also uses a lot of Watts. Two systems with normal speeds will make less noise than one heavily overclocked system. If the two systems are underclocked they may still do more work than one overclocked system, but produce less heat and noise. [Edit 1 times, last edit by skgiven at Jun 9, 2010 8:33:34 PM] |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Two systems with normal speeds will make less noise than one heavily overclocked system. If the two systems are underclocked they may still do more work than one overclocked system, but produce less heat and noise. skgiven over the WE I will do a power consumption check by running at nominal speed and OC and compare to see the gain/loss in points to the watt. It is an interesting measurement to do. ![]() |
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sk..
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There are 4 things to consider; Work, Noise, Power, Heat.
Work done - If a task takes 2h on your OCd system (say 4.2GHz), and the system uses (340W for example) then if you clock two machines to run the task in 4h (2.1GHz) they should do as much work. Noise levels Noise - Two underclocked (UCd) systems should make less noise, unless there is something wrong with the system design. Power consumption - Two UCd systems might use about the same power (say 170W each) as one heavily OCd system (340W). Perhaps slightly more, and possibly slightly less. It depends on your original OCd system - the more you OC the more power is used relative to performance gain. At a certain point it starts to become very expensive, in terms of performance gain per Watt used. My guess is that this figure is about 4.2GHz (but it is just a guess, it could be 3.8GHz or 4.8GHz and depends on other system factors). Heat (most important) - The best way to measure the heat is to use a thermometer and check the room temps. Perhaps on Sat for one OCd system and on Sun for 2 under clocked systems. This will inherently take account of your surroundings and the ability of one window to cool the room. Although you could also measure the system and CPU temps (at various times of the day), that would not tell you how it actually effects the room temps, which is really what you are concerned about. It might be the situation that 80deg C heat blowing out of one system causes the room to heat up whereas 50deg C heat from 2 systems does not - even though the 2 systems use slightly more power. Have fun, |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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skgiven, after having shut down the whole system in that room, I started with one machine and see how it influences themps noise etc.
----------------------------------------Then added another one etc... With present outside temps the acceptable limit is to run with 4 machines running at 4Ghz. For me 4Ghz is say the optimal value in term of power consumption. This means also that at the moment I have 8 machines that are not running in that room. That is 96 threads or 48 cores which would normally be roaring at 4Ghz, and are just dead. I have two other machines in other places in the house which are not touched by that problem, which brings the total to 6 machines running at the moment. They are all six core machines, which totals 36 cores or 72 threads, running at 4 Ghz. In conclusion I am running at 42% capacity. I have received an offer for an air conditioning system for 5'000 Dollars, and I would need a new 16 amp current power line. That will add a lot in terms of energy costs. I am designing now a heat extraction system to improve ventilation. I will try to avoid the expenses of an air conditioning system. I prefer to put that money for crunching. ![]() |
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Hypernova
Master Cruncher Audaces Fortuna Juvat ! Vaud - Switzerland Joined: Dec 16, 2008 Post Count: 1908 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ganymede is now ready (uses my old i7 975X) but cannot be put in orbit due to my power/heat problem. I have found a solution with Deimos who has been put in another place in my home and can run 24/7 without heat/power issues. By week end unfortunately Saturn will have to be deorbited. It was active over the last week due to a steep fall in external temperatures which allowed to re-activate an additional machine. But now temps are on the rise again.
----------------------------------------The status of the Solar System as per today is: Ganymede (975X): de-orbited (off) Phobos (980X): de-orbited Neptune (980X): de-orbited Mercury (980X): de-orbited Terra (980X): de-orbited Ceres (980X): de-orbited Jupiter (980X): slow orbital speed (intermittent) Haumea (950): slow orbital speed Uranus (980X): in orbit (active 24/7) Pluto (980X): in orbit Venus (980X): in-orbit Eris (980X): in-orbit Deimos (980X): in-orbit Saturn (980X): in-orbit Mars (980X): in-orbit Makemake (950): not created yet Europa (950): not created yet Io (950): not created yet Callisto (950): not created yet Charon (950): not created yet Pallas (950): not created yet Vesta (950): not created yet Toutatis (950): not created yet Speeds are all 4Ghz for 980X and 3.5 Ghz for the 950 and 975X. I have in stock eight i7-950 CPUs with their respective coolers. These are future rigs not build yet but which will be built over the next few months. By end year when my WCG Data-center project will be finished there will be a total of 23 planets/satellites/asteroids. The total cumulative points production capacity of the final system will be around 1 Million points per day. The total cumulative points capability of todays existing system is around 710'000 points per day or 71% of my planned system. Against all odds am still managing to contribute daily around 300'000 points or 42% of my existing capability. In the hot summer days it may fall to 200'000 points or less. It is clear that I will never be able to run the whole system in my home. I am now looking for places were to have my system installed. I have some interesting options open. I will come back on that when a solution will be found. ![]() |
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