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Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

I am using a dual boot Pentium 4 dual core 2.8-GHz machine with 2-gigs of RAM and trying to decide which operating system provides the fastest processing time for WCG projects.

The two OSs are Windows 7 Home Premium, and Unbuntu 10.04 LTS. Both are 64-bit.

Both operating systems run fine, and most of the time it doesn't matter which one I use for my own purposes.

On the other hand, the BOINC client for Windows allows me to set it to use up to 100% of the CPU time, while the BOINC client for Linux seems to be permanently set at a slower rate.

I have been using Windows 7 most of the time since it seemed to process the data faster, but I have read on this thread that HCC units will be processed much more quickly using Linux.

I have my WCG preferences set to accept any project work unit, and wonder if the OS makes a difference on any of the other projects?

Also, I wonder if Linux runs a little cooler than Windows because it is not running the processor as hard? Linux never uses the swap file either.

I used to run BOINC on both OSs and alternate between them, but have since used Windows when I expect to leave the computer running for many hours, and have been using the quicker booting Linux when I need to check things in a hurry. Because of concern about keeping up with work unit deadlines I stopped using BOINC on the Linux side, but could just as easily use Linux most of the time, and shut down BOINC in Windows.

Does anybody see major advantages either way?
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

I don't remember having read any feedback from users of 64-bit Pentium processors, but if they do as well as more recent 64-bit Intel processors you should see a big difference between Linux 64 and Windows 64 OSs, particularly with the HCC application.

Note that if you solve your lower rate problem with Linux your processor should finally run hotter than with Windows. As I wrote recently about this topic, there is no free lunch...

Regarding your rate under Linux there is no reason why it should be "permanently set at a slower rate." All BOINC clients allow usage at 100 % and if you make sure that this parameter is not set lower in the device profile that you use or in the Local Preferences there should be no such problem.

And in case the problem would not be with this setting, I don't know if the Pentium D has power management functions, but if it does make sure that Linux power management settings are on "Performance" or whatever similar. Many Linux systems (like Ubuntu) install with the Economy mode selected as the default.
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Hi CaptainMidnight.

I don't know about 10.04lts for sure, i'm still using 8.04lts.

A lot of people have complained about not being able to run Boinc at 100%, it's a power saving thing that Ubuntu does i don't know about other Linux versions.

But to get Ubuntu to run at full speed you could try this.

Right click on the top taskbar.

Then on Add to panel, look for CPU Scaling Monitor.

If your motherboard supports it, you should be able to select 100%.

If that doesn't work let us know.

Good luck.
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Gentlemen, thanks for your quick response to my question about deciding between Windows and Ubuntu Linux.

P.P.L. I tried your suggestion to get Ubuntu to run at full speed by adding the CPU Scaling Monitor to the top task bar, but "CPU Frequency Scaling is Unsupported."

JmBoullier I went through Ubuntu Help and all the logical places on the task bar to see if there was some way to adjust the Power Management settings for the processor but there aren't any.

I also took another look at the BOINC client from Ubuntu and there is no way to adjust the CPU setting. The spot where CPU setting adjustments can be made on the Windows version of BOINC does not exist on the Ubuntu Linux version.

I had the same problem when I was running 32-bit Windows XP and 32-bit Ubuntu 8.04 on this machine. There was just no way to adjust the Linux version of BOINC. P.P.L.'s comment: "A lot of people have complained about not being able to run Boinc at 100%, it's a power saving thing that Ubuntu does i don't know about other Linux versions" sort of confirms that I am not the only person who sees this as a problem.

Thankfully, this is not a major problem since what I have been doing works fine. I am not on a team, and I don't worry about the points but as long as I have the computer on anyway I think it makes sense to try to get the most research processing out of it I can.

Thanks again for your suggestions.
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Hi CaptainMidnight.

Well it was worth a shot, there is something else you could have a look at under.

System menu / Administration / Services

Services Setting, there should be a list, have a look for CPU Frequency Manager (powernowd)

if it is ticked / untick it, you might have to reboot to get it to take.

If you want to see what speed your c.p.u. runnig at before / after try this.

In Terminal type cat /proc/cpuinfo
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

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JmBoullier I went through Ubuntu Help and all the logical places on the task bar to see if there was some way to adjust the Power Management settings for the processor but there aren't any.

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Thanks again for your suggestions.


Strange, in LLL 10.04 LTS, 64bit, when mousing right (or left depending on the desktop menu bar at top, or bottom, wherever you decided to leave it or put it), there is an option to "add to panel" option, then scroll through and there being a processorspeed function. Take that. When rightclicking (or left) on that new applet, you can configure various with such offerings as Ondemand. Someone noted elsewhere that between previous and current Linux the functionality changed v.v. BOINC nice 19 level processes. Don't know as this is the first time getting really into Linux. I've set it to 2.4Ghz, which is the max CPU stock speed.
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

JmBoullier I went through Ubuntu Help and all the logical places on the task bar to see if there was some way to adjust the Power Management settings for the processor but there aren't any.
OK, obviously from your answer to P . P . L . your processor or/and your motherboard do not support varying the clock frequency. So forget about this topic, it is not your problem.

Anyway, your problem is simple: the Local Preferences window is too large for your screen resolution and you don't see the CPU throttle field which is at the bottom of the Processor tab. smile
Either
- move the window up to find that field (and the button to validate your choice smile )
- or change the screen resolution (at least for the time of making the change).

I remember I had this problem too in the past, and we are not the only ones who have been caught by that... smile
Maybe some day the BOINC developers will make this window scrollable, at last.

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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Maybe some day the BOINC developers will make this window scrollable, at last.

Already accomplished in later BOINC Managers, not by making it scrollable, but by making it fixed-size, and big enough to include all fields.
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Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

Success !!! Problem Solved ! JmBoullier's suggestion: "the Local Preferences window is too large for your screen resolution and you don't see the CPU throttle field which is at the bottom of the Processor tab" was an exact diagnosis and solution to the problem.

When I changed the screen resolution with the Ubuntu BOINC client on the screen, the small window for setting the percentage of processor time BOINC is allowed to use appeared on the screen. The default setting is 60% but now just as with the Windows OS I was able to set the Linux rate at 100%.

Just watching the BOINC client ticking off the seconds at a one second per tick rate shows an obvious improvement in the speed of work unit processing. Letting the computer run for ten hours should now produce the full ten hours of work unit completion, not the disappointing six hours worth I have been seeing.

I just wonder how many other folks,who are running BOINC on Linux, are aware that their machines are not processing the work units as quickly as possible. And I wonder how much collective processing power is being lost as a result of this problem of the invisible setting window.

By the way, I also took the suggestion to add the processor speed panel to the Ubuntu task bar, and found that my CPU is always running at nearly full speed 2.79-GHz. The problem was the the Ubuntu BOINC client wasn't set to take full advantage of it.

Thanks to all, and especially JmBoullier, for helping me solve my problem.
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I just wonder how many other folks,who are running BOINC on Linux, are aware that their machines are not processing the work units as quickly as possible. And I wonder how much collective processing power is being lost as a result of this problem of the invisible setting window.

Must depend what GNU/Linux distro your using I guess. I'm using Slackware64 version 13.1 with 32 bit multilib installed. The "top" command shows all the BOINC work clients using 99% of each processor. I haven't tweaked any BIOS or OS power/CPU settings.
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