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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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CaptainMidnight, thank you for your feedback and your kind words.
----------------------------------------I just wonder how many other folks,who are running BOINC on Linux, are aware that their machines are not processing the work units as quickly as possible. First, I think that most people who can read it use a high enough screen resolution and have never been caught with this problem.Also, larger screens are also more common nowadays, so starting with a 19" screen and the 1024 resolution everything is OK, or at least the Local Preferences window can be made large enough. Otherwise for lower screen size/resolution combinations this problem is still existing despite what Ingleside thinks. At least with the current version available with Synaptic (6.10.17). |
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Ingleside
Veteran Cruncher Norway Joined: Nov 19, 2005 Post Count: 974 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Otherwise for lower screen size/resolution combinations this problem is still existing despite what Ingleside thinks. At least with the current version available with Synaptic (6.10.17). I said Later, as in "later than the version Ubuntu gives you through their package manager (or whatever it's called)".  "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." |
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Former Member
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Hello Ingleside
Reference: Your [Jun 4, 2010 6:46:16 PM] post Greetings: I said Later, as in "later than the version Ubuntu gives you through their package manager (or whatever it's called)". I'm just curious, where is the post that contains the above text? My apologies in advance if I missed the said post.Good day ; |
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Ingleside
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Hello Ingleside Reference: Your [Jun 4, 2010 6:46:16 PM] post Greetings: I said Later, as in "later than the version Ubuntu gives you through their package manager (or whatever it's called)". I'm just curious, where is the post that contains the above text? My apologies in advance if I missed the said post.Good day ; I didn't originally include more than "Already accomplished in later BOINC Managers, not by making it scrollable, but by making it fixed-size, and big enough to include all fields." Since this thread is about Ubuntu 10.04, I expected it was understood their "current" BOINC-version as offered by Ubuntu-software-repository (or whatever you calls it) is v6.10.17, even no-one did expressly state this. So, didn't expand on the "later", since didn't think it was neccessary. Still, seeing the mistakes this apparently has given, it would be better to have written something along the lines of: "BOINC Manager is already changed in v6.10.35 and later clients, not by making the preference-dialogue scrollable, but by making it fixed-size, and big enough to include all fields."  "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." [Edit 1 times, last edit by Ingleside at Jun 6, 2010 2:54:24 PM] |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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"BOINC Manager is already changed in v6.10.35 and later clients, not by making the preference-dialogue scrollable, but by making it fixed-size, and big enough to include all fields." This is certainly better: precise and more clear.Unfortunately it is also making it more obvious that it is not the solution and that the problem is not solved. When the Local Preferences (LP) window is "fixed size and big enough to include all fields" it can also be larger than the screen area and then we are back to the problem. If making the LP window scrollable is not simple it becomes necessary to re-organize it. Having the Processor Percentage essential fields at the bottom of the Processor Use tab is silly, these fields should rather be most visible at the top of the window. Another possible way to consider would be to move all scheduling information from the Processor Use and Network Use tabs to a fourth Scheduling tab. That would allow a fixed-size LP window to have a smaller fixed-size and thus minimize the chances that it can be larger than the screen area. |
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Ingleside
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Unfortunately it is also making it more obvious that it is not the solution and that the problem is not solved. When the Local Preferences (LP) window is "fixed size and big enough to include all fields" it can also be larger than the screen area and then we are back to the problem. If making the LP window scrollable is not simple it becomes necessary to re-organize it. Having the Processor Percentage essential fields at the bottom of the Processor Use tab is silly, these fields should rather be most visible at the top of the window. Apparently it wasn't working correctly before on Mac, therefore the change to fixed-size. With fixed-size, you'll get the full dialogue if you're using 800x600 and "auto-hide" on the taskbar. At 640x480 it will be cut-off, but this would most likely be the "ok", "cancel" and "help"-buttons at the bottom, so should be more apparent a problem than it was before, there something was missing but it wasn't clear anything was missing... It's not the best solution, but it's atleast an improvement over the previous setup, there all 1st.-time users likely missed part of preferences, regardless of screen-resolution, while now only users at 640x480 should have any large problems. As for which order the preferences are listed, I don't see any major problems here, since AFAIK most users will keep the BOINC-defaults of using 100% of processors & 100% cpu-time and keep at default 60 minute switch-interwall, making these 3 choises the least important...  "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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With fixed-size, you'll get the full dialogue if you're using 800x600 and "auto-hide" on the taskbar. As long as you use the "normal" character size, otherwise the problem is still the same (tested with 6.10.57 under Win 7).As for which order the preferences are listed, I don't see any major problems here, since AFAIK most users will keep the BOINC-defaults of using 100% of processors & 100% cpu-time and keep at default 60 minute switch-interwall, making these 3 choises the least important... With such a bright reasoning one can as well get rid of the Local Preferences dialog completely, which would be the absolute fix.  Unfortunately supporting end users here shows that you are wrong: both processor percentage parameters are the most used or discussed ones (I have never addressed the third hidden parameter in this discussion since it is not a concern for the average WCG participant). My main wonder regarding this LP dialog is: why circle laboriously around this problem with more or less serious arguments** instead of solving it seriously and definitely? ** Will your next bright argument be that visually impaired people should stay away from grid computing?  |
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Sekerob
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Guys, just set it to Run Always, and you'll never know about the new "While processor usage is less then ..." 25% default from 6.10.33 or so and what it does particularly when the stick in memory when pre-empted (LAIM) is off.
----------------------------------------Funny is that the new task and project properties screens have scroll bars and does not remember when having resized that screen to show all. By default that much consulted DCF is then off-screen and the task names of WCG scroll off the right. Did I repeat myself?... if so, I'm sorry... maybe for the alpha mail list to insert, if not done already.
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Hello WCG
----------------------------------------Attention: JmBoullier Ingleside References: Posts from Ingleside, and that from JmBoullier, From (and including): JmBoullier [Jun 2, 2010 1:35:18 AM] post Up to (and including): JmBoullier [Jun 8, 2010 1:39:11 PM] post Greetings: To the extent that I may have helped cause two(2) intelligent people to first debate and next to possibly feel bad about the other person -- I apologize.   To the extent that I may have caused both of said intelligent people to make the other challenge his assumptions of things or make the other run for his money (as the case may be), as long as the discussions remain in the intellectual/objective arena -- I encourage the debate!   I recall the time when the two of you helped guide me toward solving an issue I once had a long time ago. The issue at that time had something to do with the settings for BOINC/website. When the time came that the said issue was essentially solved, thanks to JmBoullier's solution, I would have just sat comfortably on my chair and let things go by; but I did not, thanks to Ingleside's ideas, I was pushed to challenge my understanding of the why's-and-wherefore's of the BOINC/website settings at that time. In a way, it was Ingleside's ideas 'counter-punching' JmBoullier's ideas at that time that gave me a '3D' picture of the said issue. Why settle for a 2D when one can have 3D? Fast forward to today, if I were on CaptainMidnight's shoes, I would be thrilled!  I hope a continuation of the discussions about the topic (Re: Deciding Whether to Run 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 LTS) is now cleared. Good day ; [Edit1: grammar correction] [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 9, 2010 3:18:31 PM] |
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