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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
There's no 3.0 or faster. They only go to 2.0 and faster result returning devices. If a slower device just has no cache and runs 24/7 and does a task every 24 hours that's good enough. Then there is 8 days to complete and in fact as I wrote a few days ago, my slow duo got an extra augmentation on that... 9 days deadline. It's not like WCG want to run a total exclusivity club just because of credit/validation urges. The ethos is: Facilitate to have as many as possible participate in as many sciences as possible, even if it does not achieve maximum speed... and when the PI scientist has only 2 hands to handle both DDDT2 and FLU2, what's the rush of having the results sitting idle on the shelf ... so the slower pace has been very consciously calculated in :>)
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Former Member
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Sekerob,
I don't know if it's already asked, if so please forgive me. In your chart you mention the DDDT2 project to be (gu)estimated to end in September 2010. Does this include the time the project is in intermittent state, or was this based on a full-pace flow? |
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1423 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Given the nature of this project, one batch has to complete before the next set can be made, the scientists messed up by not recognising the inherent problems of large scale caching. A more reasonable cache limit of say 4days would have been sensible, but as this is achieved through Boinc Manager it was not easy to deal with, so they didn’t. honestly NO the scientists did not mess up. they got the project out to us as soon as they could... if they decided to run all the alpha phase in house they could have all the bravos and then a wait on till the charlies are ready (by batch).. but instead and cause we wanted them they released the alpha work units to us and told us we WILL have some times with no work. if they waited for themselves to crunch all the alpha's it might be next year before we saw this project now with all the computers on it we can crunch it much quicker and knock it out of the park quickly. yes i am very happy to see the work units comming i have a few pending validation now and a few waiting on my computers till they knock out the work units that were when no work avalible. @skgiven the reason alot of those longer tasks had shorter work times was that they were resends of the original 1000 (x2) run. also i keep my cache running at .2 i believe so i dont worry if my slower older computers get a work unit it will get it done within the required time.. hopeing for bronze soon ![]() |
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Sekerob
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Sekerob, I don't know if it's already asked, if so please forgive me. In your chart you mention the DDDT2 project to be (gu)estimated to end in September 2010. Does this include the time the project is in intermittent state, or was this based on a full-pace flow? Complete stab in the wild, no indications from the admin, so took the technical consideration being grid load limited the scheduler and validators being the biggest taxed item... about 100,000 work units a day on a sustained basis on 22 million estimate. The grid as a whole is setting records... we're now on a 7 day average of over 450,000, where before 500,000 was deemed the upper side of comfort zone [talking from recollection]. HCC is going to knock out 140,000 plus units today, but they are very small to DL/UL. The C-Type are 20mb a piece on the DL side... poor on bandwidth per hour department. Mind you, my fantasy is rich, I'm filling in blanks on the go and adjusting as and when information allows more precisioning.
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Thanks for the reply Sek,
----------------------------------------I forgot about the ongoing CPU-task matching and CPU pairing efforts, should help quite a bit. Improved to 73Valid, 71PV and 75 In Progress. A few on a Q8400, and the rest on various systems (only one really slow system). Nasher, good luck with the badge. I keep my cache low mainly to facilitate GPUGrid, where new tasks depend on previous tasks. As this helps the DDDT2 project, I now have 2 reasons to keep a low cache. Unfortunately some systems are remote and some use intermittent Internet connections, so I have to keep a larger cache there. [Edit 2 times, last edit by skgiven at Apr 23, 2010 10:33:48 PM] |
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Former Member
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...The grid as a whole is setting records... we're now on a 7 day average of over 450,000, where before 500,000 was deemed the upper side of comfort zone [talking from recollection]... I really wanted to run DDDT2 WUs but so far I have gotten a total of two for less than three hours of time. If the WUs are really available now, I could change my project participation to DDDT2 only - note that the last time I did this, the response was that nothing was available for DDDT2. |
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nasher
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@DKT if you do that be sure to have other projects if no work avalible.
----------------------------------------yes there are DDDT2's out there and they are slowly comming faster but there are alot of dry times as well as alot of very lean times. if you are close to another badge work that one out quickly then check back here and hopefully this project will have more steady work units but this project is expected to have lean and dry times throught the entire project so dont expect to get a steady flow of work units .. more of a trickle right now ![]() |
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Former Member
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Nasher, thanks for the info. I have always had my projects set up so that "If there is no work available for my computer for the projects I have selected above, please send me work from another project." The only thing that IRKS me about that is you always get the attention for messages when it is simply to say no work was available for your chosen project even though you expect to get other projects assigned to you.
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Dataman
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Please rember that this is a PRODUCTION project (even though the app keeps changing) and it is NOT INTERMITTENT (even though you can't get wu's most of the time). WCG says so. Sounds like my goverment talking. It's NOT a tax or a fee (you just have to pay it).
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Former Member
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Hey Techs, any news on the weather forcast...? Will the dry spell be over soon? Or do you expect a long drought... Wenn comes the rain again...???
----------------------------------------![]() Two of my boxes ran dry alrady (which means "are DDDT2 free"), another one will follow in approx. 24 hours... ![]() When can we expect the DDDT2 maddow to blossom out again? ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 29, 2010 7:28:52 PM] |
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