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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Something to consider... Using this kind of power would raise a red flag at the power company. This is how most "grow houses" are found. The power company reports strange and excessive power usage to the authorities. Dammit! I thought the EXACT SAME THING when I posted last...and was going to follow up with a "yeah, I bet the FBI will come knocking looking for 100 pot plants!"...but I forgot to come back and reply. Man.... :) ![]() |
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GIBA
Ace Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Post Count: 5374 Status: Offline |
Hello ! I have a same option as ericinboston. I've got some i7 computers in use, but only one of them as Internet access. Is it possible with BOINCTasks to have the server download for the slaves ? I roamed around eFMer site, but was not able to find the answer. Thanks in advance. zP I think that it's not possible (maybe there is a way to do it... I don't know). If you use BOINCTasks or BOINCView (other very good tool option), in both cases the management could be made by one centralizer computer, but the downloads/uploads will be made by each machine (under your commands using the centralizer one, or each machine alone following your WCG profile web settings configurated). For you and for ericinBoston, I think that could be a plus read the follow thread, to get additional information about how to install the Boinc client in many machines at sametime: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,28514 Good look ! ![]()
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi ericinboston,
----------------------------------------I've just taken time to read the complete thread. Many of the members warned you already regarding your plan. Because it is really serious, I would like to summarize all the warnings I share:
I do not wish to discourage your initiative. Several WCG members are able (and are surely willing) to support you. But the crunching infrastructure you are trying to build represent such a big financial charge that we have to make you aware about technical risks and the related financial charge as well. Feel you free to ask further, but please be carefull ! Cheers, Yves |
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Dataman
Ace Cruncher Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 4865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ericinboston:
----------------------------------------While I admire you sprit and dedication, this is an ill-conceived idea. Before you even start planning how you are going to build, monitor and manage such a network, you need to plan (and resolve) the huge problems you will have with power and heat management. An “unfinished basement” is unlikely to have any where near the electric circuits you will need for 100 machines. Once you have calculated your power load, you need to contact a licensed electrician to design a safe power layout. Also, unless you want to burn out some percentage of your power supplies every time you have a power spike, you will need a rather sophisticated UPS system to provide clean power and backup. Large-scale UPS systems are quite expensive and can be temperamental. . You need to calculate your heat load. Opening windows and pointing vents at machines is very unlikely to work. Believe me I know that from personal experience with my farm. Six hundred square feet is not a large space unless you have a very high ceiling. You need to calculate the cubic feet of air rather than just square footage. Again you need to consult an HVAC professional to determine your needs. Now you can think about how you are going built and manage such a large system/network. You have some serious problems to resolve there too as Ker and others have pointed out. Personally, I am certain you would get much more “crunching” for your time and money if you were to built a few muli-processor, multi-core, milti-card machines which would greatly reduce the “overhead” required to support 100 machines. However, in the end, it is your time and your money. Good luck! Cheers! PS: Thanks KerSamson for you comments! ![]() ![]() |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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You could always "donate" the mac minis to a local school with the agreement that they run WCG on off hours. If you offer them to a poor or small community that has low property taxes (and therefore lower school revenue) then they would probably be willing to do it. Then you wont have to worry about managing any of the heat or power consumption and the schools get needed resources. Not to mention you would get a big tax credit.
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GIBA
Ace Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Post Count: 5374 Status: Offline |
You could always "donate" the mac minis to a local school with the agreement that they run WCG on off hours. If you offer them to a poor or small community that has low property taxes (and therefore lower school revenue) then they would probably be willing to do it. Then you wont have to worry about managing any of the heat or power consumption and the schools get needed resources. Not to mention you would get a big tax credit. Interesting perspective and point of view, but for researches and projects, were frequently we need total control, ilimited acess, and mainly 24x7 time full dedicated, ever with frontier conditions around the expriments and tests under total supervisioning, I have doubt that it could be made in this way. But it is an inspiring idea ! ![]()
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Why don't you instead of buying 100 computers, you buy for example 20 4-core computers.Or even only 10 8-core computers.Much less heat, less energy consumption, less time spend solving crashes and stuff like that.Wouldn't it be easier?And cheaper?
----------------------------------------![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 2 times, last edit by Falconet at Mar 12, 2010 10:32:53 PM] |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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In that case, I gotta wonder why Mac Mini in the first place. Is it an OS preference? A size issue? Power consumption? (have you considered Atom processors if this is the case) Bang for your buck, you really can't beat multi-core/thread with multiple CPU's in a single box. Not to mention throwing in systems that can run up to 4 GPU's at once for DC'ing other projects that support GPU crunching. Who knows...one day maybe even IBM or WCG will have an ap for that!....lol (pardon the Verizon joke)
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Not to mention throwing in systems that can run up to 4 GPU's at once for DC'ing other projects that support GPU crunching. Maybe not a very smart suggestion for a project for which major warnings have already been issued about total power requirements... ![]() |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It is if you are only running let's say 15 systems instead of 100 for the same or more total threads.
----------------------------------------Also, maybe you should look into this. You never know...you might get lucky. http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/03/03/48-cores-contest/ Edit: Also keep in mind that this gives you the option of up to 4 GPU's and not necessarily using all 4 of them to begin with. The Mac Mini doesn't have the option. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Coleslaw at Mar 13, 2010 3:50:37 AM] |
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