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Time for a "Super Personal-Computer" (SPC)

Hello WCG.

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Reference:
"IBM: Envisioning the world's fastest supercomputer"
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10410044-64.html

"Blue Waters"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Waters

Gentlemen:

With the first of the petascale-class supercomputers, in Blue Waters, envisioned to be completed in 2011, it dawned on me that the PC may need to be upgraded to a whole new level to keep pace with trends. Intel's coming 6-core chip hyper-threaded to give 12-cores is probably not good enough for the task. The chip that powers Blue Waters is the Power7 -- an 8-core chip that can execute 4-threads per core for a virtual 32-core processor. I'm sure many of us crunchers here in WCG, specially those who are passionate about their crunching, would love to get their hands on a Power7 chip. I'd like to see IBM start and spearhead the SPC revolution in the way that IBM heralded the PC revolution during the circa IBM-XT / IBM-AT computers era.

I propose that IBM make a Power7-based SPC, and make it first available to WCG crunchers. Many possibilities here. For one, WCG crunchers would beta test the SPC environment: the OS, compilers, workLoads, etc. For another, WCG to fashion Power7-based WUs and throw it into the mix, and beta-test those WUs on the SPC. The path to fruition is studded with obstacles, I'm quite sure, but we can start travelling the path toward SPC. Else, well, nVidia or AMD may lead the way to a GPU-based SPC in the future, the GPU being generally recognized as much more powerful than a CPU.

What do you think, WCG crunchers, should we press IBM/WCG for a Power7-based super-PC?

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Re: Time for a "Super Personal-Computer" (SPC)


What do you think, WCG crunchers, should we press IBM/WCG for a Power7-based super-PC?

As you may know, IBM has sold its PC branch to Lenovo some years ago. I don't think that it fits into IBM's business models to re-entry the PC market.
Furthermore, the POWER7 Architecture is extremely performant compared to to its power consumption, but standard users would expect that a "Super PC" runs under PC OS. As far as I know it is not possible to simply install a - say - Win 7 on a Power7 machine. If anyone as other info: Be my guest.
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Re: Time for a "Super Personal-Computer" (SPC)

You can find Power CPU in several "PC like" machines at the moment. The simplest entry is via Sony Playstation 3, where "old" model have possibility to install Linux.

IBM produced Blades with 2 Power CPU+RAM: QS20 - having original Power CPU, up to QS22 having two of the latest Power8i CPUs. Again, you can run Linux on them.

Fixstar used to produce Fixstars' YDL PowerStation.

What could be very interesting is Power 8i PCI Express add on board, that you can put in your PC as easily as graphical cards. See http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/gigaaccel180/ with 180 GFlops.

How about trying out the PCI Express card first?
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GPU being generally recognized as much more powerful than a CPU

You are looking at a small realm of what GPUs and CPUs do which makes it is easy to draw general conclusions that do not represent the totality of what they are capable of.

GPUs by design have a large number of parallel processing units which makes them really good at parallel processing but their ability to process large amounts of data sequentially is woefully inadequate when compared to a CPU.

Ever seen an OS that runs on a GPU only?

It is not really a matter which one is *better* it is which is the best tool for the job at hand. The scientists who write the applications we are using to process the WUs here on WCG are best suited to answer which is the better tool for them and apparently it is still the CPU for now.

I'm not saying GPUs are not any good, in fact I participate heavily at GPUGrid, but it is all about the best way to solve a problem.
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