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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

How much do you think I could build two i7-290 machines for? I'm looking at $240 for the 1U servers without PSUs and CPUs.

each: Bought smart in the US: $200 for cpu, $160.00 for a decent board, under $100 for memory and then add in the rest
Good heatsink, GOOD quality PSU,case,etc.
Then factor in cost vs output and don't forget to add in the electrical usage planning on at least 2 years for the machine before upgrading.. That electrical figure is important in the overall cost.
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

That's such a hard call, I think. I mean, I'm talking....
$120 for case & board
<$100 Memory
~$70 for PSU
$200 for four 8000 series opterons
That's about $500 for 16 real cores running at at least 2.2 ghz stock.

versus...

~$460 for a shiny new i7 rig with 4 real cores and 4 logical cores, at 3+ ghz per core, remembering that those logical cores aren't going to perform like a real core (if it is anything like the hyperthreading technology of the P4!)

Truly conflicted. crying
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

That's such a hard call, I think. I mean, I'm talking....
$120 for case & board
<$100 Memory
~$70 for PSU
$200 for four 8000 series opterons
That's about $500 for 16 real cores running at at least 2.2 ghz stock.

versus...

~$460 for a shiny new i7 rig with 4 real cores and 4 logical cores, at 3+ ghz per core, remembering that those logical cores aren't going to perform like a real core (if it is anything like the hyperthreading technology of the P4!)

Truly conflicted. crying

Think 4GHz on the i7-920 not 3GHz, get a good cooler like the TRUE( ThermalRight Ultra Extreme 120) and it's doable..
I do understand your dilemma though.
Nothing sexier than a multi socket system but numbers are numbers.
The other side is it's your money and do what makes you happy.
That is most important. biggrin
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Movieman, you seem to have a lot of experience in hardware. If I may ask, I was wondering what would be the most powerful bi-processor system (mainboard, CPU, RAM, frequencies) for crunching (without GPU) that you can think of, not considering the cost issue. I do consider overclocking but with air-cooling. Another criteria is that it must be able to run under Win7.
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Movieman, you seem to have a lot of experience in hardware. If I may ask, I was wondering what would be the most powerful bi-processor system (mainboard, CPU, RAM, frequencies) for crunching (without GPU) that you can think of, not considering the cost issue. I do consider overclocking but with air-cooling. Another criteria is that it must be able to run under Win7.

I'm confused as to what you mean by "bi-processor"?
Dual socket? or dual core?
If you mean dual socket then what I have here is the most powerfull thing out there( sounds like bragging but I'm dead serious)
Look at the list I made in a previous post here.
The Supermicro X8DA3 board can't be beat for stability and dependability for a workstation board and I beleive there is a hack to run two nVidia cards in SLI on it.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/QPI/5500/X8DA3.cfm

The only thing I see out there with more potential is the Beckton based machines ( dual and quad socket native 8 core cpu's on socket 1567) that IBM (nos_support) team has running but those are not available till 2012 and right now only running at 2270mhz I beleive.
At their current speeds of 2270mhz and me at 3458mhz I think I can beat them( dual socket versions) in terms of output per day but that may be just wishfull thinking on my part! biggrin
It's very hard to compete with a company of that size when you only have the resources of a blue collar individual but I'm trying! wink

For a single socket machine and forgetting cost I'd go with a top X58 chipset board and one of these upcoming 6 core 980's that will be available in March..
One of those at 4200 on air should do close to 50,000PPD in WCG.
Maybe a bit more..
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Thank's for the info Movieman. I was meaning dual socket.
I looked about your rig you detailed on the other thread. I retain two elements: Two Hexacores and overclocking, sure the rest has to follow.
Let's fast forward in April or May.
If I would build two separate desktops, each with a Core I7 985X which is an Extreme Edition Hexacore version at stock 3.33 GHz but with an unlocked multiplier, and push them say around 4 Ghz max (I like to have cores not too hot) on air cooling. And then I compare that to a single dual socket desktop that is your system you mentioned before with the two Xeons X5680 but overclocked also at 4 Ghz.
Could you tell us in your opinion which solution would be the most performing for WCG projects, not considering the cost. thinking
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Movieman,

Great info in your posts! Thanks a lot.

Have you a power consumption figure for that rig?

Thanks
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Thank's for the info Movieman. I was meaning dual socket.
I looked about your rig you detailed on the other thread. I retain two elements: Two Hexacores and overclocking, sure the rest has to follow.
Let's fast forward in April or May.
If I would build two separate desktops, each with a Core I7 985X which is an Extreme Edition Hexacore version at stock 3.33 GHz but with an unlocked multiplier, and push them say around 4 Ghz max (I like to have cores not too hot) on air cooling. And then I compare that to a single dual socket desktop that is your system you mentioned before with the two Xeons X5680 but overclocked also at 4 Ghz.
Could you tell us in your opinion which solution would be the most performing for WCG projects, not considering the cost. thinking

If everything is equal then they should perform equally but I'd bet you dollars to dimes that the 2 single socket machines would produce more.
They always do. Hard to pit one machine against two.
Where the dual socket machine rules is in it's brute power.
Encoding, apps that are multi threaded,etc
Like comparing a thoroughbred race horse against a clydesdale.
The Thoroughbred will run faster but the Clydesdale will haul a much heavier load..
All in what you want personally.
Like I said many times, I just like the dualies.. biggrin

To Trotador:
I haven't put a meter on the system yet but will do so soon.
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Thank's for your reply Movieman. I have really to think about this dual socket issue.
Now if I add the cost factor I am not sure but it will be similar between the two solutions or even less expensive with two desktops single socket than one (bigger one) with dual socket. The two top hexacore Xeons will be more expensive then the two top i7 hexacores. But yes the dual socket solution has an advantage and that is space, volume. It will consume less space, and this is an important issue.
All this makes me think again about what should be my RA (the sun) device. Instead of having it dual socket maybe I will have it as the only device with extreme overclocking, watercooling etc. After all I never went into that field and it could be fun. Everybody knows that the Sun is very hot. Core temp is in the millions of degrees. wink
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Re: This is for bbover and the IBM guys ..

Thank's for your reply Movieman. I have really to think about this dual socket issue.
Now if I add the cost factor I am not sure but it will be similar between the two solutions or even less expensive with two desktops single socket than one (bigger one) with dual socket. The two top hexacore Xeons will be more expensive then the two top i7 hexacores. But yes the dual socket solution has an advantage and that is space, volume. It will consume less space, and this is an important issue.
All this makes me think again about what should be my RA (the sun) device. Instead of having it dual socket maybe I will have it as the only device with extreme overclocking, watercooling etc. After all I never went into that field and it could be fun. Everybody knows that the Sun is very hot. Core temp is in the millions of degrees. wink

And then there is the reality that for the vast percentage of peoples needs a single socket 6 core at 4000mhz will do everything they could possibly want it to.
heck*, lets take it a step further, a quad i7-920 at 4GHz will handle almost all and reaistically a AMD 940'ish machine at 3GHz will suit 95% of the people out there.
Getting that last few percent to the 'top" machine is very expensive and most times easier and cheaper to build two machines to meet your needs.
That said, I still plan to see if I can hit 5GHz on that EVGA board when it's available.
Why?
Just because! biggrin

Just checked the boinc stats page;
#2 for the day and #3 for the week.. biggrin
http://boincstats.com/stats/host_stats.php?pr...ctive=&st=0&or=12

*edited for verbiage - ErikaT
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