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Former Member
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Scott --
Since the World Community Grid does not function as an organization out on its own, I am not sure that there is the executive structure in place you are looking for. I have e-mailed the project team to ask if they can provide any further information to you. |
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Former Member
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Scott Jensen
Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 0:230:14:24:04 (#2,266) Points Generated (Rank) 160,244 (#1,755) Results Returned (Rank) 810 (#1,167) Avg. Run Time Per Calendar Day (y:d:h:m:s) 0:001:07:05:32 Avg. Run Time Per Result (y:d:h:m:s) 0:000:06:49:57 Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time 28.95417 Avg. Points Per Calendar Day 900.24719 Avg. Points Per Result 197.83210 Avg. Results Per Calendar Day 4.55056 Last Result Returned (UTC) 05/21/2005 11:02:04 [29+ hour(s) ago] Device Installations 3 Registered Member Since 11/26/2004 Hi ScottI notice that you have been a contributing member of the World Community Grid for 6 months now I keep asking myself the same question! Why would you attempt to cast a shadow of doubt over the validity of this not for profit, philanthropic venture at this late stage in the game? Do you honestly believe that it is of such great importance to you, to have the management of this project identify them selves to you personally in order for you to justify your reasons for being here? I have been a contributing member of this project since 16th November 2004 and I take exception to the fact that you are trying to put this project in such a bad light with your over assertive comments Do you wake up in the morning and look over the side of your bed to see if the floor is still there before getting up, I don't think so! Have an ounce of good faith and put into focus what we are trying to accomplish here before you try to bring this project into disrepute! It is funded by IBM and run by employees of IBM, who are attempting to do some good for all of humanity, along with 65,000+ volunteer members who do have sufficient faith in this project not to make waves about "who's who" within IBM's corporate structure! I appreciate the fact that you are volunteering your computer time to this project, but would you ask for a list of the distributors of Red Cross donations before making a contribution? If everyone took that attitude where would the Tsunami victims be now without the leap of faith the general public made to help so many people in dire need of financial support! |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
There's nothing secret going on that I know of and i'm the person that's in charge of World Community Grid on a day-to-day basis.
IBM spends a lot of money to make World Community Grid available to researchers for free. I'm glad that they do. Our hope is that this will result in the cure for some disease. I mentioned in an earlier post that by clicking on any Powered By IBM logo on our website, you will see the internal organization that sponsors World Community Grid and many other worthwhile initiatives. That's who is behind World Community Grid, a group called Community Relations. Go to that website and click on Grant programs and then on Education and you will see a lot of similar initiatives that are philanthropic in nature. In addition to that, if you go to the Advisory Board page link on worldcommunitygrid.org, you will see that a Sr. IBM executive is on this board. Hopefully this information helps you in your quest. |
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Merlinius
Senior Cruncher Joined: May 2, 2005 Post Count: 168 Status: Offline |
Hi Scott!
----------------------------------------I'm not going to attempt to enter into the more techie side of this discussion, but there is one thing I would like to assure you of. If any one of our team even suspected that there may be anything untoward concerning the running of WCG, not one of us would would consider touching it with a 20' pole. Not too long ago, Grid.org ran a Smallpox project. There was a great deal of very heated debate at the time about which government agencies, if any, were to be granted access to the project results, and for very obvious reasons. However, that problem hardly arises with regard to a project directed entirely toward the improvement of human health in general. Just relax a little, don't look for problems where there are none, and let's simply get on with doing what we all came here to do. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hey, buddy, was there something specific that lit your fuse or did you just decide to spontaneously combust on us, Scott?
----------------------------------------![]() As Merlinius pointed out, a number of us have done a good deal of research to make certain that the results of this project are "slamdunk" public domain. Of course, this is not what you asked. But if you really believe that it matters, then there is no good reason that this information should not be made freely available to you upon request. There is also no good reason that you should be made to feel defensive for persisting in trying to get an answer. Nor is it unreasonable for you to be annoyed that instead of a simple answer to a simple question, all you get is the typical beaurocratic "run-around." But you may be preaching to the choir, here. I'd be willing to lay money down that these guys would love to just be able to give you the information if they had it. Why the hell wouldn't they? The trouble is that they don't have it and that being employees, they can only push so hard to get it. Personally, I don't think it's worth the hassle. But if you do, Scott, then I agree that it is your right to ask. Just make certain that you go to the people who can actually give you the answers, or you're just pissing into the wind. And in the meantime, try playing nice with the rest of us. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 24, 2005 10:58:34 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hey, buddy, was there something specific that lit your fuse or did you just decide to spontaneously combust on us, Scott? Asking for who's behind the organization that you're volunteering for isn't something dramatic, offensive, or outrageous but a simple request for information and one that should be willingly and happily given upon request. Period. As Merlinius pointed out, a number of us have done a good deal of research to make certain that the results of this project are "slamdunk" public domain. That's good to know. Of course, this is not what you asked. But if you really believe that it matters, then there is no good reason that this information should not be made freely available to you upon request. This is just another non-profit I'm donating to. I always check out the non-profit I help. Though I'm not giving money to this organization, I am giving my time and use of my computer. There is also no good reason that you should be made to feel defensive for persisting in trying to get an answer. Nor is it unreasonable for you to be annoyed that instead of a simple answer to a simple question, all you get is the typical beaurocratic "run-around." Not to mention the put-downs and accusations made against me in this thread. However, I realize the morons that acted this way simply lack social graces and will never be able to acquire them so I simply don't reply to the most insulting of them. Personally, I don't think it's worth the hassle. But if you do, Scott, then I agree that it is your right to ask. Just make certain that you go to the people who can actually give you the answers, or you're just pissing into the wind. And who would that be? Being told by forum admins to hunt for this information on the forums was almost unbelieveable. And in the meantime, try playing nice with the rest of us. ![]() I have been. I made a simple request and the only thing I got in return is resistance, accusations, and ridicule. If anyone needs to apologize, it isn't me. But I've reached my limit with this forum and this dc project. There are many others just as deserving, more forecoming, and more polite. If the behavior that has been exhibited in this thread continues, I'll just drop this dc project, not promote it anymore in my signature on newsgroup posts, and find a more user-friendly and open dc project to help. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 26, 2005 12:42:13 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I have been. I made a simple request and the only thing I got in return is resistance, accusations, and ridicule. If anyone needs to apologize, it isn't me. Scott -- I take offense to this. If you would go back and read my posts, I have tried to accomodate your requests for information as best as I can. I do not think that I was resistive, accusatory or that I ridiculed you. I have tried to let you know as much as I knew about the organizational structure behind the World Community Grid and have not said anything which I would expect you to take offense to. I do think you do need to apologize. I do wonder, as have others that have posted here, what has motivated your postings in this thread after having participated in the project since its inception. Until now, I have said nothing of this, but now I will say that it seems to me that you did so only to cast a shadow on the World Community Grid. Your choice of the New Members Forum for this thread makes me even more suspicious of your intent. Certainly, after six months of participation, you cannot consider yourself to be a new member. While I am angered by your most recent post, please believe me that I have tried to respond as best as I can and that bbover3, the WCG project manager, has done so as well. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Scott,
After reading your last post, I thought it over and wondered if we had been unfairly piling on you. So I went back and read through the entire thread. Nope, not as far as I can see, though I can understand your feeling that way. You got serious, reasoned responses at first. You even got two posts from bbover3, the head honcho. You never seemed to understand the point of view of your respondants. You are donating your computer time to help the Institute for Systems Biology run a protein research project that hopefully will help us understand human biology better. Our real hope is that this knowledge, made freely available to the public, will help some medical researcher somewhere develop better treatments. The World Community Grid is just the method used to enable you to offer this help to the ISB. There is no special need for the WCG to give you their employees' names and addresses (OK, I am starting to exaggerate). Do you refuse to buy mail-order because UPS respects their employees' privacy and does not publish the office phone book for your delivery area? WCG provides a similar intermediary service. As long as the scientists at ISB are happy, your contributed results are getting through to them. By the time I finally made my own first post (non-serious) in this thread, you were starting to push past reason. But that is by our reckoning. Your point of view is slightly different, in that you seem to consider yourself as making a charitable contribution to the WCG rather than to the ISB. Umm-m, nobody is trying to hurt your feelings, but you have run into a situation in which your view of the matter differs significantly from that of the people you are corresponding with. I have no problem with emailing you MY name and address, if you want to continue this discussion via snail-mail, but I am just a volunteer helping out because it seems worthwhile (and interesting). I would be very surprised if the regular employees felt this same way, and would caution them against it. Hoping this does not sour your whole day, mycrofth |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Scott, There is no special need for the WCG to give you their employees' names and addresses (OK, I am starting to exaggerate). Hoping this does not sour your whole day, mycrofth This whole issue is rediculous. Perhaps, I hope, due to a basic misunderstanding between the individuals involved. Is everybody on the same page here? Putting aside the tone of his correspondence, all Scott is asking for are the names/titles of the individuals at IBM who oversee this project at the corporate level. To quote Scott: I'm not talking about low-level employees but who runs this project. Thus The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is exactly what I'm talking about. They not only list the executives who run the foundation but give bios of each and what they do for the foundation. These executive are not involved in MicroSoft mega-corp but directly with the foundation. Scott is asking about the names of the corporate executives. This is no different from asking who is in charge of the Acct Dept, or Marketing of a publically traded company. It is usually accessible through the company's website. Market analysts and investors routinely review this information as part of their analysis of the company. What is not customary and normal is for this information not to be readily available to the public. If the company has not taken the time to list this information in an easy accessible location, it is not unreasonable for an individual or institution to request that this information be provided. It is a routine administrative event that occurs at least hundreds of times every business day. While the request may seem irrelevant to me, still it makes absolutely no sense to me for anyone at the project support level to be upset if a member asks who has operational responsibility for a specific project at the corporate level. Why in hell is everybody so worked up about this? It's not worth even a tenth of the energy everybody is putting into it. The request itself has nothing to do with the member's reasons for making it. If the request is reasonable and customary according to normal business practices, then why would anyone want to question his motives? That is nobody's business but his. If an investor requested this information, you can damn well bet that it would be provided instantaneously. If it wasn't, the investor would tell the company to take a hike. And no one would fault him. For Scott to say that for a charitable project a member's time and computer resources ARE his investment - instead of cash; and that he simply wants to ensure that it is being "spent" wisely is entirely correct and justified. To say that the member should NOT care about how their time and resources are being used would be utterly demeaning of the huge contribution being made by all of the members collectively and individually. Based upon my own experiences with WCG, I find this notion utterly preposterous. Based upon Scott's limited experiences as they have been posted, though, frankly I would not. This has nothing to do with my taking sides with anyone. From where I stand it is as if one person is looking at a cow, the other at a horse and then they just keep on arguing with each other about who is right. Forget about potential innuendos, motives, tones and assumptions. Just tell the man who the hell is in charge of this project at IBM and let's move on. Please do not bother to reply. For me this issue is WAY over. I would rather lurk at TW. At least they don't pretend to be sane. Good night, grandma. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hello julied,
You might have the right interpretation. Certainly, by the time I first posted, I had the impression of 2 sides talking past each other and getting more irritated by mutual incomprehension. Your theory is that he was asking how the WCG fit into the Table of Organization (the 'org chart') for IBM but did not know how to say this in a way that we understood. You might be right, julied. Comments, Scott? mycrofth |
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