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Former Member
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I think that for the Human Proteome Folding Project and each other project that the world community grid does should have an over all progress bar to see how far along the project is in completeing it's goal. While the number of answers for the project must be astronomical there has to be a way to show how much has been done for it.
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nerd01
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Nice idea.
----------------------------------------But I'm afraid it it's too hard to estimate the actual progress of a project...  |
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Former Member
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Nice idea. But I'm afraid it it's too hard to estimate the actual progress of a project... Unfortunately nerd01 is right... The proteins are folded in a non-deterministic manner, such that it is very difficult to estimate the actual amount of time it will take to finish. The time taken to crunch the first 50% of a protein can vary dramatically from the second 50%... and that variability is spread over thousands of proteins. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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 Let's think less granualar. Do we know how many proteins there are to process and how many we've completed processing on? A simple percentage complete from these two numbers would be nice. After all, I wouldn't expect the overall project progress to change that significantly on a day to day basis. This could go on the Global Statistics page or on the page headers for the site. |
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Former Member
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If you read the Mid-March report, you will notice that the ISB was still crunching away creating Work Units. At that time, they still did not know how many proteins we would run. Things have a way of becoming indefinite when you are working at the boundaries. Even defining the problem can be difficult.
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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 Okay, it seems logical to me that folks are going to be curious about how far along are we with the current project. How you define that could differ from one project to another. So far, we don't have all the proteins that there will be for us to process. Maybe even processing one protein involve a sizable number of work units to evaluate all the possiblilities. Still, we know a total number of work units processed (the results returned number) and maybe even a total number received for processing? Maybe we could get the second number added to the statistics page. Clearly it will continue to rise until we've received all the workunits but we'd be able to see that number growing however often new wu's come in. Plus, at some point we'd see that number stop growing and we'd know we're close to wrapping up - processing however much is left. It would still at least provide some idea of how much we've done of what there is to do so far and help reinforce a sense of progress. Partial sight usually beats total blindness.  |
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Former Member
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The WCG recieves the workunits in blocks and returns those results as blocks of workunits as well. So you would not be able to have an individual workunit returned number.
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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We don't have an exact number for how far along the project is because of various factors. However, based on certain assumptions, the Human Proteome Folding Project is at least (about) 45% done, by my estimate. World Community Grid has contributed about 3/4 and grid.org about 1/4 of the completed results so far.
As I look at the incredible amount of CPU time already contributed, over 8000 years on World Community Grid, it is really hard to imagine how monumental an effort this is. While it is easy to say 8000 years, I don't think many people can really intuitively grasp the enormous amount of time this represents. Just think about where humanity was that many years ago, for example. Anyway, thank you so much for participating in such an monumental and important effort! |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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 WOW! Thanks for the info. I took another close look at the statistics page and see that I have 77 thousand of the 1.8 BILLION points generated and 336 of the 6.8 MILLION results returned. Really makes the point of grid computing - my little piece matters when combined with everyone else's. All in a matter of 6-9 months real time. As WCG would seem to be oriented towards finite projects (unlike SETI), being able to have some idea of where we are in the project would definitely be nice to know, at least for future projects perhaps - even if just an estimate and qualified (how far we are with the work we have received but there's more coming). While I didn't expect us to be so far along already, others may have thought we were even farther along. It may even help encourge new project submissions. |
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