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zhiwei
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preinstall on OS

i would be good if world community grid would deal with OS like ubuntu,redhat ..etc to put boinc... as part of the default installation and run at default 10% for wcg projects. that would further expand the community . if i not wrong. on lenovo laptop, ibm preinstall wcg by default for window machine

2. try to make the work load as small as possible, if the statistic need 1 day to process 1 task, and some user cant on their machine 24 hours. arent more works can be finished if task is split into more smaller size that can be process by user in short time and send back to server?
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Re: preinstall on OS

Hi zhiwei,

1) WCG is always looking for ways to spread the word so thanks for the linux suggestion. The pre installing of BOINC in Lenovo laptops is news to me,

Good.

2) Smaller jobs is hardly possible which has allot to do with the load on the BOINC Scheduler that gets millions of hits per day and deals with hundreds of gigabytes of data transfer a day. Large or small, these jobs usually are fairly equal size so cutting them in half e.g. would double the data volume and the scheduler load. Already RICE is planned to become 9 hours instead of 8 in order to deal with the transaction volume. The deadline is 12 days, so 1 or 2 hours a day for newer computers is enough to complete a task in that period.

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Re: preinstall on OS

1) zhiwei, if what you mean is a default install of Boinc which would start to crunch without the user having to know about it this is against WCG's policy. Contributing to WCG must be a voluntary act and, anyway, you have to register. Even if it is for good intentions such a program installation would fall into the trojan category.

2) For members with slower machines or current ones connected only a few hours a day, with the Rice project which runs the same fixed time for all machines, fast or slow, "1 or 2 hours a day is enough to complete a task in that period" too.

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Re: preinstall on OS

JmBoullier,
ya, but at least install it but not auto run it by default . The reason i saying so, is because i think some of the people would want to contribute but not computer savvy. maybe guideline video on how to install boinc..etc is good and put on linux partner and wcg page
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Re: preinstall on OS

The challenge may be that installing Windows software is easier, in most cases, than installing *nix software. *nix will always be challenged for greater penetration into the user market until software installs become simple.

If a developer makes the decision to fully support the user install of their software on all *nix systems, we will have a product that will truly penetrate the *nix barrier. Boinc is trying to do this, but will continue to generate support headaches until the software install gets easier.

For example, I installed WCG Boinc on Windows which only needed me to click some buttons. While I have computer skills, I have not had to use them. As for *nix, I see support requests in the fora where users have to download other (what the heck is that) software to get Boinc installed. It is not about user-friendly (I can live with unfriendly), it's about just being able to get it installed at all. The technical skills needed to make this all happen are hard to allocate and are also expensive. You can find people with technical knowledge on W2k, WXP, W2003 and WV. There may not be anyone who knows the internals of every version of *nix.
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Re: preinstall on OS

It's not us, or even the WCG staff that you need to make these arguments to. Try to sell it to your favourite distro, instead.

I know that WCG have gone to enormous lengths to try to get WCG out there on new OEM computers, with (sadly) limited success. Computer manufacturers just don't want the risk, and there's nothing in it for them.

What we can do is concentrate on the "easy" part. The standard BOINC package is pretty awful. The WCG Windows version is a little cleaner, but still suffers from all of BOINC's nonsense. I have to give kudos to the packagers who have created BOINC packages with all the dependencies neatly tagged, and everything set to install automatically. Easier than the Windows version, even. When it works, anyway - when it goes wrong, it goes very wrong.
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Hello zhiwei,

The idea seems novel, but the reality is it's not new and there are very good reasons for not doing it. Sometimes what seems like a good idea is really a bad a idea in hindsight. "Hindsight is best served with foresight", I think that is right.

The World Community Grid like any respectable organization has an image to maintain while supporting the mission goals as efficiently/effectively as possible. It would not be responsible to mass release or pre-install this software on the end users computer. It's not a socially responsible thing to be doing.

Perhaps, putting a simple piece of glossy paper in with each new computer advertising the World Community Grid to give the end user the option to download and install the software on their own? I don't know..

I figure given enough time and experience things eventually work themselves for the better, so long as it's not unreasonable forced.
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Btw, I hate all the crap they install on a new computer that I'll never want to use! I would NOT want to see the World Community Grid go that route although I had the same thought you did years ago.

BTW: I hate AOL just for that reason alone!
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