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burakreis
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I want to use all resource of my computer for BOINC.
Ubuntu 64 bit or Windows Vista 64 bit Which is the best for more results? Regards |
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Former Member
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Hello burakreis,
----------------------------------------Ubuntu 64 is cheaper. It uses power management defaults that slow down the clock on AMD Barcelona chips (and probably Nehalem) if running only low priority threads, such as BOINC applications, so it is a good idea to read up on how to change the default setting. Lawrence Added: Also be sure to download the 32-bit Linux libraries to run 32-bit applications. The libraries run in 64-bit mode - much faster than Linux 32. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 27, 2008 9:49:25 PM] |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Power management is enabled by default in Ubuntu, so it will affect ANY processor-motherboard combination which is able to support it. As Lawrence said, Boinc and distributed computing applications running at the lowest priority alone in a computer are not considered as urgent/important work by power management (this is normal), therefore it will reduce the speed of the processor to save energy if you don't take care.
----------------------------------------burakreis, regarding your initial question, Ubuntu 64 is probably "the best for more results", so it's fine if it is really what you have in mind. But if what you really mean is "the best for more credits" this is unfortunately not true. For various reasons probably including the power management feature (not inhibited in many Linux installations) the credits you get for a given WU are usually less under Linux than under Windows. Too bad, nothing is perfect... Cheers. Jean. |
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Former Member
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I want to use all resource of my computer for BOINC. Ubuntu 64 bit or Windows Vista 64 bit Which is the best for more results? Regards I want to use all resources, too, and I use only UBUNTU. I think, that it would probably be the best to run BOINC either before even starting UBUNTU itself or to run UBUNTU starting only the very vital elements of UBUNTU. For example, without starting the graphical surface of UBUNTU. I suppose, that I could probably achive this goal somehow changing the startup sequence of my computer. But, I do not know how to do this in practice. So, how change the startup sequence in UBUNTU (and if you like, for other users, too, in Windows) if I want my computer to run only BOINC, and no other unnecessary background programs. The processor should think only about BOINC Thanks in advance for any help Martin |
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Former Member
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Hello,
----------------------------------------looking for a possibility to run only BOINC without running the graphical workdesk of linux (in order to speed up BOINC), I found the following page: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/reg/ms/viewThankYouAll.do?platformPick=linux It is occourently possible to run BOINC without runnig the graphical workdesk of linux. As the page http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=boinc says, I will probably have to write code into my shell resource file. Well, the question still open is, how to modify the shell resource file in a way that it just starts BOINC and then stops, asking, whether I want to run only BOINC (in the command line) or whether the computer should go on and start the graphical workdesk of linux. Well, I will try and publish the results here. Maybe someone is interested..... Martin [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 27, 2008 1:50:11 PM] |
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Former Member
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Hello Jean,
could you please explain which difference Umbuntu 64 BIT and Umbuntu 32 BIT makes to BOINC? On which machines (computers) Umbuntu 32 Bit is better than the 32 Bit Version? Additional questions: I bought an industrial computer (workstation) especially for BOINC. The machine has two CPUs. Does BOINC and Umbuntu automatically use both CPUs Thanks a lot in advance Martin |
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Former Member
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Hello Kafejka,
When you install BOINC, by default you tell it to run 100% of all the cores. Use the Maximum Output Device Profile to run all the time on all cores. Ubuntu 64 runs the OS support routines at maximum speed, using all the modern cpu instructions. Ubuntu 32 uses only the old instructions that the 80486 had, so it is much slower. The 64-bit code is a modest speedup but all the instructions that have been added in the precious 15 years (SSE, etc.) are an even greater speedup. When Linux knows it is running on a modern cpuu with 64-bit support, it knows it also has all the other modern instructions. Even though the application code is only old 32-bit code, having all the support routines run modern instructions speeds things up noticeably. Lawrence |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Not only can 64-bit processors move more data at once, but they also have an improved architecture (vs 32-bit ones) and additional enhanced instruction sets which can be used only when running with a 64-bit operating system, e.g. Ubuntu 64 or Vista 64. That is the reason why even applications which have not been compiled specifically for the 64-bit mode are performing more or less faster in 64-bit, although the benefit is less than if they had been compiled/optimized for 64-bit.
----------------------------------------I think that any machine with a 64-bit processor should be more efficient if running with a 64-bit OS, although that may vary depending on machines, memory speed, selected projects, etc... Anyway, unless somebody corrects me, I think that it would not run slower than with a 32-bit OS, therefore go for Ubuntu 64! Please note that the above applies to the science applications which are running in a machine, not to Boinc itself. Boinc is using very little processing power therefore it is not Boinc itself which brings the benefit. By the way this is the reason why I did not feel concerned by your preceding posts in October last year: I have never envisaged to invest time in setting a machine without graphical capability, and even less for improving performance. Either the graphical interface of Ubuntu or BoincMgr will not use processing resources if you don't use them, so why bother and make your life more complicated on occasions where you would need them? And regarding BoincMgr, if you install Boinc in Ubuntu via the package manager it will be installed as a daemon (or a service in Windows words) and it will start in the background as soon as booting the machine, and it will not even start BoincMgr. For your dual processor machine Boinc should normally detect all its cores, and it will use all of them if you make sure that the "Use at most xxx % of processors" is set precisely to 100 % (not to 99.999 or anything less!). Happy crunching with your new machine! Jean. |
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Former Member
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Thank you very much for your answers.
I will choose Ubuntu 64 Bit. I hope, I will make it through the installation, got to install the connection to the internet, too. Well, three machines using one ISDN Internet connection, I hope it will not be tricky. Two machines with two CPUs each will run BOINC, if everything will go right. Cross your fingers, please, that I will make it. I will stay in contact with you. Martin |
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