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Former Member
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What kind of proposals are the advisory board receiving?
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Former Member
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wcsdep2313,
This sort of question is ideal for a Projects forum, but we do not have one. Since it is addressed to the WCG administration, it should be moved to Feedback. I do not know the answer, but I have read everything on the site carefully. First, people applying for project approval are guaranteed privacy. After thinking this over, it seemed obvious to me that this is to encourage applications. People do not need to worry that being turned down or having parts of their proposal criticized will hurt their chances of being approved by some other agency. Second, there is a statement that the community will be informed about the project before it starts running. However, the last section of the project proposal lists the steps that the technical staff of the WCG will undertake after the Advisory Board recommends accepting a project. I personally doubt that there will be any announcement before the programmers have worked over the strange code, adapting it to our grid, and have run a few tests to show that it seems to work. [Big Grin] Yes, I would like to know too. But I remember the strange way the Human Genome Project started to taper off. After years of publicity, they announced the completion of the first rough draft - - was it 5 months before it was completed? The explanation was that scientists needed that much advance notice just to write up proposals to be allowed to spend time researching the rough draft. This was after years of publicity!! This is the fifth month the WCG has publicly existed. The Advisory Board might not have a lot to do yet. Lawrence |
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Former Member
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At the present time, we are searching for new research projects, specifically the next research projects. In fact, the World Community Grid team has one person dedicated to doing just that.
What we are finding is the researchers really get excited about having the compute power of World Community Grid is available to them, but we are also finding that the existing research was designed for using more traditional means of computing power… mainframes and the like. However we are making some inroads in some new projects which are just now starting. We recently spoke with the director of the World Health Organization who is aware of some new research starting out on Dengue fever: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/dengue/en/ The scientists who are running Human Proteome Folding (HPF) on World Community Grid have committed doing a newsletter on the progress of HPF and posting that in the HPF forum every few weeks. We’ll make sure that happens because we are as interested in the progress of HPF as you are. Every member of World Community Grid can help with finding new research. If you know of someone who has some potential research, please point them to the page where they can submit a request to run their research on World Community Grid: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/request_for_proposals.html The only requirements are that it has to come from a Not-for-profit organization and that the research must alleviate human suffering. We do not charge anything for running research on World Community Grid. We even board their application for them. Even if you don’t know someone in a research organization, please feel free to send information about World Community Grid to organizations which potentially have research or have access to researchers. Your help would be greatly appreciated. |
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Former Member
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Hello,
Ive just read your post on getting more researchers to apply to use the grid. I have a few questions as proteins, genes etc is all greek to me! I would like to forward the posting to inner ear researchers who are seeking ways to regenerate hearing loss, but dont have a clue if it will be any help to them. There are a few different things eg, gene therapy, stem cells, and one who is using the retinoblastoma protein Rb1. Any advice would be great. Dave ![]() |
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David,
It’s Greek to me too. Let’s not get too narrowly focused. The real purpose of the World Community Grid is to use computers in ways that help people. In practice, this seems to come down to donating computer time to scientific researchers working on projects that might help people. Medical research is an obvious possibility, and recently people have begun speaking of fields called Computational Biology and Bioinformatics. Using Google to search for these terms, it turns out that the National Science Foundation (NSF) is pouring money into computers to use in these fields. I have no feel for what possibilities there are and no real idea of how to rank them for utility and practicality. Studying the proteins in the human body strikes me as a useful way to use our computers. There seems to be a very good chance that some medical researcher will be able to make good use of the data we are creating. If nothing better pops up, as long as we have a working program for proteins, I would cheerfully crunch away on a protein analysis of deadly microorganisms such as malaria and dengue fever and schistosomiasis and also on useful crops such as rice. It might be useful to run a search on Google to see what sorts of projects people are talking about in the same articles that mention Computational Biology and Bioinformatics. We are not a very high profile organization and there are probably many researchers around the world that have never heard of us. Perhaps some of them would have good ideas that we could support. Lawrence |
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Thier is also a field called computational chemistry that uses computer simulations to screen molecules that may be able to interact with protiens.
This knowledge is important since it appears to be a first step in drug discovery. It would be nice to see this field considered for a future project. although it may be attacked due to its obvious link to drug companies which are the only entities capable of using the info. also Celera the private US biotech that sequenced the genome by itself remarked that upcoming work on the genome will involve huge computational resources. This company is closely guarded as to its progress. but may be consideded to be the commercial equilvalent of say an ISB. |
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Bruce,
You raise a very good point: It would be nice to see this field considered for a future project. although it may be attacked due to its obvious link to drug companies which are the only entities capable of using the info. This touches on a basic point in the philosophy of the World Community Grid organizational design. The projects are selected by the Advisory Board, composed of distinguished scientists and scientific admistrators. Our projects are selected by peer review rather than by popularity contest. There are any number of open public distributed computer projects. Many of them are in Number Theory, searching for primes. It all reminds me of a scene in Arthur C. Clarke's "The City and the Stars". All of these projects, like us, are competing for members in a democratic popularity contest. What distinguishes us from the pack is that we offer peer-reviewed projects, selected by the Advisory Board. I hope that we will always select projects based on their potential rather than on their popularity or unpopularity. We ought to find ourselves sometimes running projects in fields that are also being explored by corporate laboratories expecting profitable discoveries. Linus Torvalds has a very soft-voiced, low-key explanation of why people trying to be useful should often find themselves in competitive commercial areas and should not flee them just because money is involved. Our results are public domain. This means that they can be used by any corporation. But a corporation cannot patent, license, or restrict their use. Or more realistically, they can try to but their lawyers would probably content themselves with threats and phony lawsuiits run on the cheap. Lawrence |
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This touches on a basic point in the philosophy of the World Community Grid organizational design. The projects are selected by the Advisory Board, composed of distinguished scientists and scientific admistrators. Our projects are selected by peer review rather than by popularity contest. This comparison is really quite slanted to make things look good in WCG's favor. Who would you rather have peer review the science: A group of people picked by IBM or people at the National Science Foundation (NSF) or the National Institutes of Health (NIH)? Folding@Home has NIH and NSF funding as does Predictor@home, for example and their projects have therefore been aggressively been peer reviewed. This is NOT the case for the current project on WCG. As for the "popularity contest", well WCG is still fighting for clients against other projects and still fights this contest every day as well. |
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[Grin] You are right, Dev. There are a lot of good projects out there. Those weren't the ones I happened to be thinking of as I was writing my post. But also keep in mind that the Advisory Board includes members who work for NIH and NSF, the two funding organizations you specifically mentioned.
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We are not a very high profile organization and there are probably many researchers around the world that have never heard of us. Perhaps some of them would have good ideas that we could support. Lawrence A news item today http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/06/science/06bright.html mentions some data awaiting 'crunching' Quote: "But he added, "Unfortunately, impediments have come up." Four years' worth of data from the Earth Radiation Budget Satellite is unanalyzed, he said, because there is no money for scientists to work with it. Another satellite, the Deep Space Climate Observatory, which was scheduled to be launched on a space shuttle, awaits in storage. Proposed budget cuts in earth science research at NASA could limit the analysis of data from other satellites, Dr. Charlson said." Do these people know about the WCG? Ian |
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