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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

Thanks for your carefully as ever thought out response to a truely appalling tragedy retsof


Each of those alternatives are better than the consequences still visited upon the people of Russia and Europe that just began 22 years ago today
Ukraine is the country that got trashed...by Russia.

Trips by motorcycle trip through the hot zone in 2004 and later...
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm


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I didn't read that reference. Why was it at MY risk?

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Ammonia is poisonous, after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozalid

In printing, ozalid process is the name for a process of printing positive images on paper from patterns on film or other translucent media. It is akin to creating a photogram, using chemically treated paper.

A tranparent film with the pattern to be printed is placed on a diazo compound coated paper. This sandwich is exposed to ultraviolet light. After a 15 sec to 5 min exposure, ammonia vapour is used to develop the film image on to the paper.


http://www.health.state.ny.us/environmental/chemicals/hsees/ammonia.htm

ammonia accidents at blueprint shops ... new york only

Two young male employees were overcome by chemical fumes and the entire floor of an office building was evacuated (approximately 20 people for one hour) after a half gallon of ammonium hydroxide spilled in an engineering consultant's office. The chemical was used to operate the company's blueprint machine and spilled when a shelf broke. The injured men were treated at the hospital for respiratory irritation. Although the amount seems small, the chemical soaked the carpet and powerful fumes circulated throughout the floor. The fire and police departments evacuated all second floor occupants including an oral surgery clinic. Firefighters cut the portion of the carpet where the chemical spilled and removed it in a metal container for disposal as hazardous waste.
Twenty-five pounds of ammonia were released at a commercial blue print shop when the protective domed cover on a 100-lb tank sheared the valve as it was being opened. During the evacuation, one woman fell down the stairs and broke her leg. As a result, she was exposed to the ammonia vapors, suffered dizziness and respiratory irritation, and required hospitalization. One hundred and fifteen people were evacuated for four hours.

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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

Nobody uses those things any more - not with A0 laser printers so cheap to run.

Ammonia copiers smell awful even when they're working properly. And a pain to use, too - you have to get the coated paper and original the right way up, and feed them both through.... give me toner any day.
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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

the third world, maybe...

http://www.ozalid.com/
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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

It's day 2 here down on the Beach with King Canute

after yesterday's watery fiasco he has been taking advice from none other than Jacques Cousteau. He has today ditched the crown in favour of a Frog Suit complete with Flippers. With aqualung strapped to his back he pulls down his goggles.

He is sure he has cracked it today.

In neoprene splendour he raises his hand and commands the sea.


and the tide comes in again.


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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

not sure what's going on in that last message...

My 31st great-granduncle Canute I has been dead since 1035.
We're coming up on the 11th anniversary of Jacques-Yves Cousteau's death (unrelated).


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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

insdutrail accidents suck but what is the vianle alternative n power>?
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Re: 22 years ago - Chernobyl

alternative power n power r non sequeters

give in were never gonna do the right thing

even if i told yers the answer in black n white

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dave try whisperin in canutes ear
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Cheers George
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I think that most of us share the revulsion and horror remembering those events 25 years ago. We are people that tend to use our minds in creative pursuits, lending ourselves to the general betterment of all mankind. But David is very correct about one thing...
The people who support the massive reintroduction of common nuclear power generators are folks vested in it. And the lowest common denominator argument for them is that nukes are far less likely to fail, or to be tampered with, now, than ever before.
This is the wickedest of fallacies. For the birth of nuclear power generation was rooted in it's destructive uses. Even Fermi's first atomic pile had a very simple motivation; to find a critical mass for a fissionable product. But power generation was not the goal, the theoretical plans and designs for weapons were. And because we live in a world split into hundreds of political units, where research to often inevitably is directed by rhetoric and bigotry, the the most common product of reactors, and other research projects will continue to be weapons grade plutonium. And the phantom of great power that ownership bestows on any nation willing to sell its soul to obtain it. Real, common, safe nuclear power generation can only happen for a common world when men of good will step up and take control of all research and production, worldwide. Instead of the IAEA and their sad, toothless pronouncements.
The common goal is to give every human being a small chance at some measure of prosperity. Nuclear plants, of the most modern designs, can be the greatest single short term solution. But not until the WORLD renounces the production of thermonuclear and nuclear weapons. And, folks, we ain't even close...
We are inviting even more widespread radionuclide poisoning, on a massive scale, if we put the cart before the horse, again. Chernobyl was not an isolated incident in the nuclear industry. It was the culmination of decades of contempt for the power we inherited when Oppenheimer and sons let the genie out the bottle.
At the Trinity test, after seeing the "device" awaken the New Mexico desert like it had never been awakened before, one scientist said succinctly, " Now we're all sonsabitches"...
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