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Hello, I'm completely new to world community grid but have used SETI@home in the past. I'm currently working on a project to get at least the majority of Rutgers University's computer networks running BOINC or some similar program. With a possible contribution of approximately 7000 hours per day, this can make quite a contribution to any project on this system. Ideally,the choice of which projects the computer networks contribute processing time to will be left to the various departments that control the particular labs to decide.

To begin with, my goal is to install BOINC on the computer labs that are run b Rutgers engineering department. These are on an isolated network from the rest of the university's computers so should offer a test case for how to go about running the software university wide. Each computer allows users to run either windows or Linux, depending on their preference.

Here's where my questions begin. First, is it at all possible to obtain a single version of BOINC, or any other similar program someone might know of, that is capable of running on either Windows XP or Linux? If this isn't the case, I will resort to utilizing only the windows version as the vast majority of students and faculty use windows anyway.

Second, I need to know if BOINC is capable of running 24/7, regardless of who is logged on a computer, and even if anyone is logged on. Most processing time would be contributed while no one is logged on to the computer.

Finally, is there a way to limit the upload/download of the program per computer per day? Do to the current contract Rutgers has with its ISP, I will not be able to install BOINC on any computer if it uses more than 1 GB download per day and 1 GB upload per day. Although this might not seem lke much, remember this university has more than 2000 computers capable of contributing this 1 GB per day, it just has to remain below the 1 GB limit per computer.

I would like to get in contact with anyone else that has experience with setting BOINC up on a university wide level or anyone that might know how to broach this issue. I have the full support of the people that run these networks and have already had several people agree to donate time to this cause if it is possible. Thank you for your time.
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Re: University Networking

Hello, I'm completely new to world community grid but have used SETI@home in the past. I'm currently working on a project to get at least the majority of Rutgers University's computer networks running BOINC or some similar program. With a possible contribution of approximately 7000 hours per day, this can make quite a contribution to any project on this system. Ideally,the choice of which projects the computer networks contribute processing time to will be left to the various departments that control the particular labs to decide.

To begin with, my goal is to install BOINC on the computer labs that are run b Rutgers engineering department. These are on an isolated network from the rest of the university's computers so should offer a test case for how to go about running the software university wide. Each computer allows users to run either windows or Linux, depending on their preference.

Here's where my questions begin. First, is it at all possible to obtain a single version of BOINC, or any other similar program someone might know of, that is capable of running on either Windows XP or Linux? If this isn't the case, I will resort to utilizing only the windows version as the vast majority of students and faculty use windows anyway. [/qoute]

I hope you get it working. BOINC is open source and can be compiled for every operating system. Linux and windows binaires are mad for you to download
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Second, I need to know if BOINC is capable of running 24/7, regardless of who is logged on a computer, and even if anyone is logged on. Most processing time would be contributed while no one is logged on to the computer.
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Boinc will probably run as long as you're computer is on soo for linux and *BSD operatin systems that can be years.

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Finally, is there a way to limit the upload/download of the program per computer per day? Do to the current contract Rutgers has with its ISP, I will not be able to install BOINC on any computer if it uses more than 1 GB download per day and 1 GB upload per day. Although this might not seem lke much, remember this university has more than 2000 computers capable of contributing this 1 GB per day, it just has to remain below the 1 GB limit per computer.
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You can. Just go to the homepage and click on download and test boinc yourselves. You can limit these speed from the my grid page on this website and in the advanced view the boinc program on your computer.

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I would like to get in contact with anyone else that has experience with setting BOINC up on a university wide level or anyone that might know how to broach this issue. I have the full support of the people that run these networks and have already had several people agree to donate time to this cause if it is possible. I can be reached at the email below for more discussion. Thank you for your time.



It is not smart to put your email adres on this website because you will et a lot of spam probably. You can best edit your post and delete your email address. You can better click on contact on the homepage and ask that last question there again
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...and you copying his e-mail addy in YOUR post is not smart either....he cannot edit your post!
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Hello MillerLite,
First, Linux and Windows XP are very different operating systems. You must download a version of BOINC configured for a particular operating system.

Second, the installation program allows BOINC to be installed as a service. This will run no matter what user is logged onto the computer. BoincView allows you to check the status of BOINC on many computers on a network.

Third, the downloads and uploads are typically only a small fraction of 1 GB per day. You are scarcely the only member with bandwidth limits. In fact, only very fast multi-core computers ever exceed 1 GB a month.

If you go to http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewMarketingToolkit.do you will find a link to the BOINC mass install document, which will help explain how to deploy BOINC across many computers.

Also look at the Become a Partner page ( http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewBecomePartner.do ).

I suggest that you download BoincView ( http://boincview.amanheis.de/ ) and experiment with it on your own computer. It sounds as though you will want each department controlling its own computers with BoincView.

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I'm aware that many programs do not even come close to exceeding the 1 GB per day limit, including such programs as SETI@home. However a colleague of mine has actually experimented with placing a protein folding program on campus computers, though whether it utilized BOINC or not I don't know, and they exceeded the limit every day. I believe this has to do with the way the program crunched the data. SETI's downloads a file, crunches it for a while then uploads and downloads another small portion. This protein folding program constantly downloaded and uploaded with a server to perform its analysis. I'm not familiar with which one's work this way but think it would be a good safety precaution to avoid complications with administration just to cap off the download/upload at 1GB regardlessly. If this isn't possible does anyone know which programs to avoid for high upload/downloads and which programs tend to have little transfer?

Thanks for the suggestions though I'm going to check out those websites right now.
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Re: University Networking

1gb a day "per computer" if reading it correctly compared to few hundred mb a month for even the largest project generally available at WCG is a drop in the bucket. In fact WCG has implemented some very very nifty techniques to send / minimize data transmission sizes. HPF2 is the penultimate for the good observer.

A future BOINC release introduces a bandwidth volume limiter. On an 'all project' profile it will try to balance work so that the client remains busy, yet does not exceed the limit.

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Added: The figure quoted is per CPU core i.e. a quad would take about 1gb / month depending on speed and project choice.
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Hi, MillerLite.

You may be new to World Community Grid, but Rutgers University is not - they have been with us since 2005.

They are an official World Community Grid partner, and the team captain is hedrick.

You should contact the Office of Instructional and Research Technology to coordinate your efforts. As a partner, you can get one on one assistance from the WCG technical staff. Talk to Charles Hedrick. He should be able to put you in contact with the WCG staff member assigned to you.
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Thanks I'll do that. He might be working off of one of Rutgers other campuses (there are three of them across NJ) or he might be promoting it for use in dorm room computers since I can't recall ever seeing BOINC running on a university computer. I'll definitely look him up though.
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