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damir1978
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Post Count: 397 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't understand you guys.
----------------------------------------I am talking about us (the already crunchers) to give a little bit more than just our processor's time to WCG in order to grow. It's not to hard to understand. We give the money, they will do the work. THAT IS HELPING WCG ! I understand that not a lot of people will give, but still , from thousands, some money will come. And this money can be put in advertising at a diferent level than what each of us can do separatly. The power of this is in the level of Advertising. Money means HELP. Money are not going to harm the grid. And some money is better than nothing. the concept is simple and is based on 1 to 5 $ you can spend once (or more than once) for this project. We already spent some money on electricity with this. What it is 1$ more for advertising ? |
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Former Member
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damir it's probably much more complicated for wcg than you expect. accounting, legal, administrative etc. it would probably be a full time job at least!
it seems better that individuals can put their own ads wherever they want. how about joining different forums and spreading the word in those places? ![]() |
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Former Member
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Also, legally, WCG is not a charity.
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Former Member
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esoteric17 is right. WCG is not registered as a legal charity and will avoid all the entanglements created by financial contributions. The computer time we contribute would cost a great deal to duplicate on a paid basis. Avoiding 'nickels and dimes' from Paypal allows us to save a great deal of money by not paying salaries and pensions to people maintaining the paperwork and legal forms keeping track of charitable contributions. And it would be necessary to keep track of all that. No large corporation can afford the liability risk of ignoring loose, unmonitored cash transactions across international boundaries.
We save a lot of money by NOT accepting cash contributions - as counter-intuitive as that sounds. It pays to keep it simple. Lawrence |
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damir1978
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I understand your point halfcard, and is a good point, but lets make the Community Advisors ask the WCG BOARD about this idea and let WCG decide if it has the resources for this and if they are taking the risk.
----------------------------------------That's all I ask from the Community Advisors (because they have the ear of WCG). We might be surprised by the decision. So? Who will vote for that ? |
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Former Member
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damir1978 - you think this hasn't come up before?
As good as the idea is, it isn't original. Even if we did have the grassroots support to make it financially worthwhile, WCG isn't set up to handle it. World Community Grid has a unique niche - they don't ask for cash, they ask for computer time. Asking for both would make things a lot more complicated. Besides, spending money to advertise a philanthropic cause seems wrong to me. If we can't get free publicity, we're doing something wrong. |
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damir1978
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Well, somebody is doing something wrong because we are not getting ANY publicity outside some Internet websites.... How we suppose to increase our # when NOBODY outside this small circle gets any publicity at all ?
----------------------------------------When you open the TV you see a lot of Breast Cancer Adds hitting you everyday on every channel. What do you think will happen if you have WCG adds at this level ? Who's not risking is not gaining. That is the golden rule. Free advertising ? That's is the hole idea, IT DOESN'T EXIST... Either IBM takes the hole nine yards and makes the advertising or is up to us. There's nobody else out there than this 2 sources. |
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Former Member
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That's simply not true.
Of course, more publicity is always welcome. But it's not going to happen in the way you propose. |
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crooks_uk
Veteran Cruncher England Joined: Nov 25, 2004 Post Count: 1013 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Well, somebody is doing something wrong because we are not getting ANY publicity outside some Internet websites.... How we suppose to increase our # when NOBODY outside this small circle gets any publicity at all ? When you open the TV you see a lot of Breast Cancer Adds hitting you everyday on every channel. What do you think will happen if you have WCG adds at this level ? Who's not risking is not gaining. That is the golden rule. Free advertising ? That's is the hole idea, IT DOESN'T EXIST... Either IBM takes the hole nine yards and makes the advertising or is up to us. There's nobody else out there than this 2 sources. Damir, I agree with this and have shared my view on several occasions in the forums but have had similar responses to the one you are getting. I have even suggested that the software be provided as a free download with well known vendors in the same way as the yahoo toolbar etc, etc. There are many reasons that are given for not doing any of it. Some valid, some not. The fact of the matter is that if it is not advertised, nobody will know about it and the grid will never reach its true capabilities. We will just have to wait and rely on our marketing efforts to make a difference, because nobody else (i.e. IBM and WCG) seems that bothered. I am sure that IBM could get it advertised via Microsoft and any other companies/vendors etc. if it really wanted to. My belief is, and always has been, that if we found a cure for cancer (or any other life changing illness) everybody would want to put their name to it, rightly or wrongly. It is grid computing and it is in its early years, once we have proven it works, everybody will want a go. Once we deliver results, i am sure that somebody will want to spend money on it, in the meantime however, I believe that things will just plod along, at little cost to WCG. And whilst on the subjest of results, have we actually achieved anything as yet. I appreciate that medical research does take long periods to yield results, but if we had a few projects that are actually completed (as in actually cured something), we would have a much easier time advertising/justifying our efforts.
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damir1978
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What about this idea ? Is WCG considering this ?:
----------------------------------------CALL or EMAIL (for example) WorldVision (www.worldvision.ca - witch is doing the same kind of work, like reducing disease among children in 3rd world countries) and propose to them to run an add on they're website and pressure WCG to run an add from WorldVision on they're website so both "endeavours" will benefit from this. People from WCG will donate to a very noble cause in order to double they're charity (it is only 35$ a month to sponsor a child with nurishment, drugs, education). People from WorldVision usualy have computers and they will trust something promoted by WorldVision. This action is aplicable to other Charity Endeavours like Red Cross, and many many others. Here is a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Humanitarian_aid_organizations I'm sure some of them will be happy to get some attention from other "human resources pools". Who will vote for that ? |
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