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what are the downsides of beta testing

i see that beta testing is different than the other projects. Do I have to do something for it myself? and will this be alot of work?
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

The beta-test enrolment page explains the basics: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewBetaProfiles.do

Recommend not get involved unless you are medium-well experienced with BOINC.
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

Downsides:
1) If you care, loss of credits if beta WU's error out. (Though the same occurs when production WUs error out too.)
2) Frustration, as you can report a problem and the faulty code gets put into release anyhow.

It's not any work for the user. It would be nice if it was (like, if they did some follow-up and wrote some test programs to work out where the problems were) ... but sadly not.
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All Beta errors are examined. Not all Beta errors get fixed. Some errors show up rarely in a non-deterministic fashion. These can be easily handled by sending out another work unit. Some seem to happen all the time on certain machines, but if the developers do not have such a machine, it can be very hard to track down.

Programming is a profession that requires a high tolerance for frustration.

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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

Some seem to happen all the time on certain machines, but if the developers do not have such a machine, it can be very hard to track down.


No, it's not hard to track down. At least, it wouldn't be hard, if they'd actually bother to communicate (do they know how to do that? -- they're programmers smile ) with the people running the WUs. If they isolated the faulty code and made test programs available so that the people whose machines crash could run them, such problems might be relatively easy to track down.

The more you guys (sorry you're in the middle, honestly) defend the incompetence, the more I'll shoot it down.
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

This is IBM - however expert you think you are, WCG are not new to this.

It's easy to stand on the sidelines and criticise. It doesn't help, though. Let the techs do their job.
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

WCG are not new to this


Yes, WCG isn't new to this, which is why it's amazing how poorly they're handling it. Yes, it is easy to criticise, because they put a program into beta test which crashed, then put it into production still unfixed, and still haven't fixed it in 3 months. Yes, it appears criticism doesn't help, because they're not taking any notice of it. I'm more than happy to let them do their job ... whenever they start doing so. If you have any solid evidence that they have made any real attempt to fix the bugs they don't appear to be bothering to fix, by all means say so. Otherwise, your suggestion has less substance than my criticism.

The original question here was about what beta testing is like. I feel it's more than appropriate to answer the question. If you wanted to contribute to the answer of the question in this thread directly, rather than criticise me, you might simply say that not only will the techs sometimes fail to fix problems, but that the "helpers" on the boards will then defend their inaction as well. If WCG were a company with that attitude, I would definitely take my business elsewhere, as it's completely unprofessional.
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

WCG never release much information about bug fixing. The first you will hear about it is when a new version is put into beta, or if the techs request more feedback.
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

The project programs themselves were not written by WCG. WCG is only supplying a shell or might have to convert the program for personal computer use. If there is a program bug, as opposed to a BOINC bug, it would have to go back to the project submitter to repair. It is also possible that there are more different types of platforms running here than the submitter can even replicate. Maybe the submitter doesn't want to fix something that only happens less than 1% of the time.

(That is only idle speculation.)
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Re: what are the downsides of beta testing

The programmers have recently commented on what they have been doing. As I interpret it, none of the persistent bugs being worked on seem to be in the application code itself. The problems are hidden down in the library routines being called by the application programs, which have already been debugged (mostly) before being handed to us for 'boarding'. So problems arise when using a specific compiler, set of libraries and OS. Change to an alternate library and the problem may mutate or go away.

An example is the work that knreed has recently been doing on curl to get BOINC to work with some proxies. The HCC problem seems to be some library memory-management routines that work legally but vastly inefficiently. They are trying to identify the particular methods that work inefficiently and modify HCC to use alternative memory-management methods. (Think of the infamously inefficient Vista Explorer shell, which can convert a 15-minute mass file copy operation in Windows XP into a 10-hour long marathon in Vista.)
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