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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm thinking about upgrading one of my old 1Ghz Pentiums to and AMD dual core with and AM2 compatible m/b. The last m/b I bought was Asus M2NPV-VM. The bios was very buggy and had to be upgraded 3 times in 5 months. Normally I like Asus and historically their m/b's have been rock solid, but I'm interested in trying someone new.
----------------------------------------The only manufacturer I've had a bad experience with was Abit and that was many years ago. EVGA seems good but they don't seem to make many AM2's. I've heard good things about Gigabyte too. Also, I need an m/b that has integrated audio/lan/video and which will fit in an ATX case. Thanks for the advice. ![]() ![]() |
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I really like ASUS and would stick with them myself although I have never owned an AM2 mb. I have an ASUS socket 754 and a Gigabyte socket 754 and they have been very stable with nice options. I have read some forums where people complain a lot about bios problems, but usually that seems to be the case with brand new motherboards and I usually wait a while for the first few batches to get sold for feedback on the sites before I would buy it. A friend of mine bought a socket AM2 ASUS board, if I remember correctly it was something like an SLI-Premium edition, and he loved it. I also vaguely remember his saying that it cost around $200...
What kind of processor are you planning on putting in it? The FX series have dropped drastically in the last year and are still dropping I think. Probably from all the competition from the Intel C2D series. Most boards now have pretty good integrated NICs and more upscale boards will have integrated 5.1 audio. Any reason for wanting integrated video? I'm not a fan of on-board video. I just prefer to have an external video card with its own memory dedicated. I have heard that some of the new video gpu's can do folding on them too, don't know much about that though. I'm sure there are threads on that somewhere. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm going to use an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - this is identical to one machine I already have. I picked this chip because it seems to be the fastest I can get that still runs with only 65 watts of power. It will go into an existing ATX case with a 300 watt power supply and only 2 drives - ATA100 @ 7200 and a DVD/CD writer.
----------------------------------------I want as much integrated as possible for a couple reasons. One is power consumption. Another is that I don't want to fuss with the machine any more than I have to. Also, I don't care much about the graphics. Any graphics card that can handle boinc is going to be out of my price range. The machine will mainly be used as a spare/secondary machine and for crunching. The Asus board I have it mounted in uses an nVidia chipset which seems fast enough and has no trouble handling 1024x768 resolution. I could get another Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard, but I'd rather try something new - if I'm reasonably sure that there aren't any known problems with the m/b. I'm saving my pennies for when the AMD Barcelona quad cores come out - probably late summer or early fall (crossing my fingers, toes, legs, arms). But since I'll probably have to shoot my wad on just the chip, even then I'll be looking for an integrated m/b. ![]() ![]() |
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cargod01
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Post Count: 508 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm going to use an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - this is identical to one machine I already have. I picked this chip because it seems to be the fastest I can get that still runs with only 65 watts of power. It will go into an existing ATX case with a 300 watt power supply and only 2 drives - ATA100 @ 7200 and a DVD/CD writer. I want as much integrated as possible for a couple reasons. One is power consumption. Another is that I don't want to fuss with the machine any more than I have to. Also, I don't care much about the graphics. Any graphics card that can handle boinc is going to be out of my price range. The machine will mainly be used as a spare/secondary machine and for crunching. The Asus board I have it mounted in uses an nVidia chipset which seems fast enough and has no trouble handling 1024x768 resolution. I could get another Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard, but I'd rather try something new - if I'm reasonably sure that there aren't any known problems with the m/b. I'm saving my pennies for when the AMD Barcelona quad cores come out - probably late summer or early fall (crossing my fingers, toes, legs, arms). But since I'll probably have to shoot my wad on just the chip, even then I'll be looking for an integrated m/b. If you're going to run Vista, you'll want at least the ability to update the graphics card later. Even when the quad core CPU is released, I'd wait 6 months for the price to drop. It can be a considerable savings both for the MB and the CPU. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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twilyth
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If you're going to run Vista, you'll want at least the ability to update the graphics card later. Even when the quad core CPU is released, I'd wait 6 months for the price to drop. It can be a considerable savings both for the MB and the CPU. I finally finished getting prices for everything I would need and the total was almost $400 for the m/b, chip, 2gig ddr-800 (ouch), dvd writer and ata100 HDD. Whereas I can get another old Pentium up and running for almost nothing (a dvd writer). There's no comparison in terms of speed, but I think I'll be better off putting the money into building a Barcelona based machine. The $400 should cover the premium AMD will want when the chips start shipping. I'm not normally on the bleeding edge of technology, but I'm really looking forward to this and don't want to skimp when the time comes. I'm talking 4 gig DDR-1200, 750gig hdd, maybe even a liquid cooling system. I've been doing a lot of video conversions and even the X2 isn't cutting it. That's partly the problem of the software I'm using, but even so, by the time the Barcelona chip is out, there should be new software too. I'm still going to need a motherboard though. I might try transplanting the new chip into the existing AM2 motherboard. If that seems to work, then I'll probably go with another Asus motherboard since that will mean that the new chip really is AM2 compatible and that there should be a minimum number of glitches. If that doesn' t work, I'll probably look seriously at Gigabyte and Biostar and get and AM2+ board - or whatever they decide to call them at that point. I don't like placing orders piecemeal like that but sometimes it just makes sense. If only CompUSA weren't such vultures (no offense Team V). It seems they bend you over the check out counter every chance they get. If they weren't so greedy, I could do most of this with a 15 minute drive and not have to worry about returning stuff to Cali-for-neye-ay via UPSnail. ![]() ![]() |
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cargod01
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Post Count: 508 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If they weren't so greedy, I could do most of this with a 15 minute drive and not have to worry about returning stuff to Cali-for-neye-ay via UPSnail. I actually buy a lot of my stuff from http://www.tigerdirect.com They had 33 AM2 Motherboards listed at http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/categ...y_slc.asp?CatId=2417& I also sometimes find decent deals at http://www.newegg.com and http://www.geeks.com ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by cargod01 at May 15, 2007 11:10:50 PM] |
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Pretty soon the 1TB drives will be out. I think Hitachi and Seagate plan to distribute these first. 750GB drives are good prices, but you might be better off getting two 320GB or 400GB drives and putting them in RAID 0. I have two SATA II 200GB drives striped in my work computer where speed is a must, and it works so much better than a single. If redundancy is your goal, then just put them in RAID 1. If you have SATA on your new mobo (which you will, everything does nowadays) then RAID support will be there, its native. As for the graphics I understand why you want to have on-board now. If it's not a gaming machine, what's the use to get multiple 512MB cards in SLI? You might want to spend a few extra bucks and upgrade your PSU though. 300 watts seems kinda low. But if you want your power consumption low, then it might be a keeper.
I agree with cargod on the Vista point. On-board graphics aren't good for Vista. Vista is very flashy and wants lots of video memory. If you haven't already got the X2 4200+ you might want to look at the 4800+. The 4800+ has dual 1MB cache and if I remember right the 4200+ only has dual 512KB. As for quad-core, I can always hope there will be one in my near future... Tigerdirect is pretty good for parts, and I like newegg.com too. But don't buy computer cases online. Just go to your local store if you can. I bought a Sonata from newegg, the power supply was dead, and they wanted me to ship it back on my own dime, not just the psu, the whole thing! I said forget it and got an RMA from Antec directly for the PSU. I had a new one within a week and a half. Good luck with the build, make sure and run a burn-in on it for a good while to stress test those shiny new parts. That way if they decide to take a dump early on in life, it will probably happen in the burn-in. Then they will be easier to get replaced under the warranty. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2130 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks jo - I try to stay away from raids since i crash my machines so often I don't want to deal with another layer of technology when its time to recover. I seem to be running data recovery on one of my machines almost constantly. The only thing that might help would be RAID 5, but that requires 3 disks. Also, even with several terabytes of storage (among the various machines), i'm always maxed out. I'm such a pack rat.
----------------------------------------I finally decided to get the next-to-cheapest components I could find and my total bill came in at around $250US. Got an AMD X2 (3800+ running at 65w), integrated Gigabyte AM2 m/b, cheap memory (1gig, DDR2 533), Sony dvd writer and i'll use an old 10gig hdd from another machine. That should be enough space for the o/s and a few proggies. Will also cut down on my heating bill. It's not anything to brag about, but it is dual core so I can boinc like its 1999. I had to run ethernet cable to another room since the new machine and another one were going to be in the way otherwise. That was a real treat. Accidentally drilling through floor joists, wall studs, drywall, etc. All for a cable run of about 30 feet. Yeah, I should have just gone wireless but I've got too much stuff that uses the 2.4 ghz band for that to be practical. I might have been able to use a power line adapter for ethernet, but that can be an iffy proposition too. I once had a set up like for a telephone and another time for a video feed. Analog transmissions were decent to good, but try to send a fax or do anything that required a clean transmission and it was hopeless. Thanks for the input. Feel free to critique the new setup. ![]() ![]() |
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cargod01
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As long as you don't drill through power lines or plumbing, you're probably OK!
----------------------------------------I have run ethernet cable all over my house, through walls, ceilings, floors, etc. I have a 16" x 5/8" installers bit so it will go through just about anything... it doesn't make too big of a hole, but the ethernet cable will pass through fairly easily with or without the plug on the end. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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twilyth
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When I run cable I like to cover as many bases as possible so I don't have to go through the whole process again anytime soon. So this time I ran ethernet and coax. I was able to get away with using a 1/2 inch wood drill. It was tight, but it worked. The last time it was ethernet, coax and 2 phone cables. I probably could have used a nice long carbide bit for that one. The most direct route was through a cinder block wall. If I'd had the right drill bit I could have gone that way.
----------------------------------------I try not to buy tools if I think I can work around a problem. It's like an addiction. If you start buying everything you think you can use, people start greeting you by name when you walk into home despot or lowes. I'm a recovering addict but the thought of new tools and building supplies still gets me way more excited than it should. ![]() ![]() |
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