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cargod01
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Post Count: 508 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I *DID* transmogrify a 1.7GHz Dell into into a 2.0GHz AMD machine, which was further overclocked to 2.4GHz for crunching. I have about 40 of those 1.7Ghz Dell systems on the corporate LAN. They crunch fine...and the Boss pays the electric bill...LOL     |
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Former Member
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WCG runs my PC at 50. But you are using what as a benchmark? I'll bet your P4 or duocore is drawing no more power than a 486 CPU did.I'd prefer to let my PC sit idling at 5, and save some energy (and make my room cooler too). So does that mean I should let my Compact Flourescent bulb run all day, simply because it uses less energy than the old bulb (which ran about 4 hours a day)? Of course not, because then I'd still be using the same (or possibly more) energy than I did before. Leaving the CFL run all days defeats the purpose of switching to a more efficient device. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at May 4, 2007 7:58:46 AM] |
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Former Member
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So where should we start in reducing the population? Euthanasia? Uh, no. You can start by having less children. If each married couple (voluntarily) limited themselves to just 2 or less children, the population would slowly decrease. Just as choosing to drive a 40mpg or higher car, will help reduce smog/pollution. Small steps can make a big difference. [Edit] [ I turned on the grid agent this morning. My room was a little cold, and my PC makes for a great heater. The fan instantly went from "off" to "full speed" as soon as the WCG was activated! Definitely sucking a lot of power. ] [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at May 4, 2007 8:10:32 AM] |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
[ I turned on the grid agent this morning. My room was a little cold, and my PC makes for a great heater. The fan instantly went from "off" to "full speed" as soon as the WCG was activated! Definitely sucking a lot of power. ] Bring on substantiated a verifiable numbers plz as what you state is mere suppositioning. My latest addition does 3x as much processing at half the power consumption, so if you can afford, retire the old P3 beast and get one of these new wave 35W crunchers. Companies should in fact consider accelerating to replace for the very energy efficient type as the lower electricity bill over their useful lifespan probably outweighs the cost of a new machine (PC prices going down or flat and energy prices relentlessly up). In main though, most all are fine with a little fan noise to compute for a better future, when the machine is on anyway. The cost is nominal, and would we not do it, would supercomputers have to be build, which would add only more resource use to manufacture and even more energy to run to include needing big cooling systems due their high concentration in single spaces. AND in doing that, delaying finding cures. my 2 cents
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Former Member
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[ I turned on the grid agent this morning. My room was a little cold, and my PC makes for a great heater. The fan instantly went from "off" to "full speed" as soon as the WCG was activated! Definitely sucking a lot of power. ] Bring on substantiated a verifiable numbers plz as what you state is mere suppositioning. That was RUDE. I'm electrical design engineer who designs computer circuitry for a living.... not an idiot to be talked down to. I don't have to do calculations to know, "Wow.... the sun really made my car hot today," when I burn my butt sitting down on the leather seats. It's obvious it was the sun that did it. Likewise clearly there's an increase in power consumption with WCG. The CPU was idling at 5 all night (downloading), and now it's at 55. The computer case was cool to the touch, and now it's quite warm. The fan was off; and now it's full speed (not quarter speed or half speed... FULL speed). ------------ More computation yields more circuits active, more voltages transitioning states, and therefore more current consumed. And more heat generated (which caused the fan to go from off to full speed). It's as obvious as 2+2 == 4 . [Edit 11 times, last edit by Former Member at May 4, 2007 9:28:42 AM] |
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Former Member
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Just out of interest, here are the power figures for one of my servers running BOINC. Its is a HP DL360 2 x Xeon Dual Core, and boinc is the only thing running on it.
BOINC @ 100% 372 Watts average, 416 Watts peak BOINC paused 299 Watts |
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E. Frijters
Senior Cruncher The Netherlands Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Post Count: 228 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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@theaveng:
----------------------------------------Dude I don't know why you're so upset (same whining when you crunched at grid.org)... Maybe because you took part in creating the (heat)problem? I'm electrical design engineer who designs computer circuitry for a living.... Your own words...  If you're that worried about the client creating extra heat and destroying life as we now it, stop the client, log off and stop harrassing us... Get a - I hope healthy - life!
Former grid.org slave
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Former Member
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So where should we start in reducing the population? Euthanasia? That does look a bit racist. What about youth in Europe or America or the rest of the world ? |
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Former Member
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Former Member
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most of the energy has already been spent creating your PC. I don't know about that. A car can be built with the energy-equivalent of 10,000 miles worth of gasoline. I imagine a PC is much, much less.... maybe 1000 miles worth of gasoline (40 gallons per PC). Over its lifetime, both a car and PC will use far more energy than it took to build them. Well, I put the WCG grid agent on "idle" at home. It was generating too much heat. I'll restart it when the cold winter weather arrives. If that's why you do it that's fine mate but, in my experience, most of us are doing it for the warm, rosy glow of contributing to the good of our species/world. I know pennies have to be added up to even keep a household budget on track but, in any equation, all factors have to be included and I'd love to see how you add in the possible good we may be/are doing. In the end DC Computing is a voluntary thing, and if you need pay back, ie heat return for your premises, then that's what you need. For me, the warm rosy glow does fine thanks. |
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