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Re: Cunning plan in the making!

Yeah, cost benefit is the bottom line. I only have one system, but have streamlined it, so for a single core machine, it is great. But, I'm hobbled running BOINC, which we all have to do now on WCG. It simply is not very efficient on a single core platform. Running on a different partition has had great results, though!
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See, I'm not trying to be greedy. If Cargod would need to upgrade, it is not performance that is the main goal. Its more to keep costs down in a large fleet. Some savings come from power usage dropping and to excape the MTBF problems that like to come up and bite your behind on any large computer deployment.

What is funny though, most businesses upgrade to keep up with the case fashions. It helps their "look". laughing
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I'm just going to have buy myself an exceptional " core-duo" machine for Christmas, and make it aBoinc only machine. But withj xp, not vista! Maybe, linux!
And I'll keep my single core for gaming and give it to my son for his 11th B'Day! cool rose good luck
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Yes! I got mine building in the other room biggrin Can you say Q6600 real fast ten times.

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Statistics Last Updated: 10/27/2007 23:59:59 (UTC)

Totals:
Current Members 16 (#1,061)
Retired Members 3
All-Time Members 19
Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 51:119:07:39:21 (#191)
Points Generated (Rank) 25,419,191 (#118)
Results Returned (Rank) 105,975 (#100)

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Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time 56.53
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Avg. Points Per Result 239.86
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Re: Cunning plan in the making!

See, I'm not trying to be greedy. If Cargod would need to upgrade, it is not performance that is the main goal. Its more to keep costs down in a large fleet. Some savings come from power usage dropping and to excape the MTBF problems that like to come up and bite your behind on any large computer deployment.

What is funny though, most businesses upgrade to keep up with the case fashions. It helps their "look". laughing


I understand how to analyze lifecycle costs, but have to justify the cost of upgrading. If I can keep the same systems an additional year or 2 by switching them to Linux, and having several 'on the shelf' in case of hardware failure, how much more powerful machines can I get for the same price a year from now?
Just look how the price of that Q6600 dropped from $1100 initially to less than $300 in 6 months.
As far as electric cost, even if the new machines have a somewhat more energy efficient CPU, the periphiels will not be much different.
The consultant the boss has been talking to is trying to convince him to get Celeron Solo CPUs. While they may be cheaper, from a crunching standpoint,. that would suck! LOL
My best guess is, his company has a better markup in those systems (or they have a bunch they need to move) or he wouldn't be pushing them.
So far I have convinced the boss it's better to wait than to get machines like that.
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Hmmmm...
Someone turned me on to freecycle, and I have seen some amazing things there, for free! One person's junk...etc.
Last thing I remember was conversing with Courine last night, saying Q6600 to myself 10 times fast, and now I wake up in front of my computer! Sleep is definitely underrated!
Back on subject, I got PG&E to stop billing for almost 3 months, just by showing that the meter # they had on my bill did not correspond with the actual meter #!!! Of course the readings are for that meter, but I received no penalty for reporting the issue, and my power consumption is low. At least for a system being on 24/7/365!
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Ah, then its one of those "best dont fix it if its not broke" situations.

Dont worry, I was just womdering if the concept project here could help you there. What im not trying to do is rock the boat.

biggrin Just curious biggrin
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Im still testing the power used over time with a kill-a-watt meter. Soon I will know what the cutoff line is for systems thst pay about 17cents/KWh.

How did the power company mess up? And for how long?
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Ah, then its one of those "best dont fix it if its not broke" situations.

Dont worry, I was just womdering if the concept project here could help you there. What im not trying to do is rock the boat.

biggrin Just curious biggrin


LOL, actually, the way we use computers; we could get away with thinclient machines. But those don't crunch very well...LOL
About all we use (officially) is the GM Website, email and Terminal Emulation software to connect remotely to an AS800 server.
It's nice to have real computers, but when the boss is tight, it's best to use what you have rather than 'upgrade' to something less than what you have...
I did convince them to install a Cisco VOIP phone system rather than spend the big $ for a digital phone system.
So far, I can demonstrate that it has saved $500,000 over what we would have had to do with the Toshiba system the consultant was pushing. Adding another node is as simple as adding another $1200 blade. With the other system, adding a node was over $50K and required days of programming and tweaking.
We have 6 locations around town and each would have required it's own node. By utilizing PTP T1s between locations, we can run all 6 locations off 1 PBX type switchboard....with 1 receptionist instead of 6.
And anyone can transfer a call to anyone without any complications.
With the VOIP system, if someone moves to a different desk (even in a different building), they take the phone with them. The phone number is assigned to the phone's IP, not the jack like a digital phone.
The phones use the same network as our computers and I use Power over Ethernet rather than having a power supply on each desk for the phone.
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biggrin Re: Another cunning plan in the making!

Ah.

Well, what do you think about compressing this thread for readability?

{in background, courine is working on another very cunning plan!}
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