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Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Project Name: Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2
Created: 03/22/2007 13:27:18
Name: la713_00008
Minimum Quorum: 14
Initial Replication: 19

Project Name: Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2
Created: 03/27/2007 01:29:02
Name: la777_00044
Minimum Quorum: 15
Initial Replication: 19

And this (2nd) one is holding me up, I think waiting for 1 more result.

Jeez, I mean, WCG is unsure that 6,7,8...12,13! is not good enough and that suddenly 14 means that everything is fine and dandy?

This redundancy is killing trees. If I'm going to kill trees, could I at least "redundize" projects with less redundancy (GC/FAAH?)for more accuracy in their projects? All those hours..just to confirm for the umpteeth time that this result is correct. Ok enough of my rant, anyone want to explain? biggrin
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Each WU does it's own little part in the whole, that's why there is so many units in HPF2 work qu.

Funny thing about waiting for a result....sometimes it others that you have to wait for and sometimes it is your own that is in progress while the others are waiting for yours.

You are new to this and it takes patience. It is okay, really, to just let the grid work its stuff. The times to get wondering are when there are errors, or invalids, or something unusual. Give yourself time to watch and see what is the norm, so you can see the blaring abnormals.

Cheers,

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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Hello jhtrico1850,
Actually, there is no redundancy in HPF2. The same work unit is run 19 times with a a random number used to vary one of the factors. The results are validated by a very complex function. So far, this is the only project that we run without any redundancy.

This is explained in Member News: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=11673

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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Dear jhtrico1850 (don't you have a first name?),
First I want to tell you that I am nothing in the WCG organization, therefore what I will say now is only my own opinion.

I have read all your posts and those of the kind people who answered them

Most of these posts (if not all) could have been avoided by spending only a few minutes searching by yourself. For this one, for example, you just needed to click on the HPF2 section of the forum index and you would have seen in position 10 (11 now) a thread titled "Quorum of 20?" which would have led you to all the explanations that you expected.

Slightly upset by this attitude I have started to gather a few figures regarding your membership and I am puzzled:
- days of registration: 13 (including today)
- number of posts: 46
- number of results returned: 7
- total run time: 1:14:46:42

I am sure you won't be surprised if, now, I am asking myself "Is he a troll?".

Kindly. Jean.

PS: WCG friends, please feel free to delete this post if you find it exaggerately offensive.
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

This is explained in Member News:

Lawrence,
Maybe that would help to place the referenced post as a "read only" in the HPF2 section of the forum, no?

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

The subject was discussed in several thread of the HPF2 forum, e.g. in the 'Quorum of 20' thread started March 16'07: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=12136

'Stickies' and 'Read only' is on the long wish-list of features for a next release of forum software, whihlst we already have 'Member News' and 'Known Issues' and 'Start Here' and the 'Beta' sections [Read Only].

Given that the above link is only the 10th or 11th thread in the HPF2 forum, not sure if these wanted features will make a change for the few who wish all on a silver platter.... factually, last week we had 4 PS3 threads in positions 1/2/3/4 ....all 4 posted in or started by the same member(!) of the 'Recent Threads ' listing... figure that!
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Slightly upset by this attitude I have started to gather a few figures regarding your membership and I am puzzled:


Puzzled that a new member woud have questions?

I am sure you won't be surprised if, now, I am asking myself "Is he a troll?".


You mean someone that makes post simply to elicit responses? I'm sorry that I have questions. Your post contributes anything?
http://www.wcgwiki.org/en/boinc/validation.cfm
Based on this, I thought it was normal to have about 3 per work unit. It has never occured to me that if I have a question, that I should scroll through archives to find my answer, and in this situation, the word "quorum" isn't exactly on the top of my head.
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

Have you ever 'oogled' yourself?

http://www.google.com/search?q=+jhtrico1850&a...cial&client=firefox-a

How to find yours or anyones score is not difficult.... look around as Diana G. proposes:

Statistics> By Member> Multi Member Comparison..... type your member name.
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Oops. I have, but I always thought our forum display names was our profile names or something. So I can't be like "Diana G"?
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Re: Why is there so much redundancy for HPF2? Just wondering.

jhtrico1850,
Puzzled that a new member woud have questions?

Obviously not, but I am sure you have got what I meant:
1. your forum activity seems to exceed your crunching activity by far (but I may be wrong, you might have many results pending validation).
2. your questions (and the way you word them) seem to challenge the WCG system and forum more than actually asking questions (but maybe I am misinterpreting them).
Your post contributes anything?

After waiting two days before answering I am not too sure of it. love struck
But, sincerely, the purpose of my post was to moderate "your enthusiasm" in case you had not been aware of how your many posts can be perceived.
Within a few days you have kept almost the whole support team busy to answer your posts, and in some of their answers I could detect some (legitimate) clues of weariness or irritation. Having worked in remote user support myself I have thought that it might help them if somebody outside their group would say what they were probably refraining from saying.

I think you should not forget the main objectives of the WCG system and forum.
1. the system itself must be able to push as many WUs through the pipes as participants can crunch. I think it does it pretty well, and when something goes wrong, like when a batch of bugged GC WUs has been delivered by the project people, the WCG team reacts as fast and as efficiently as can be reasonably expected.
2. the main purpose of the forum is to provide participants who cannot get their agent(s) running properly with useful advice and solutions.

Reporting not-blocking bugs and suggesting improvements is certainly appreciated (reactions to such posts demonstrate it) but comes at a lower priority, I think.

And last, I am not forgetting the "communication between participants" aspect of the forum which I appreciate much but also comes at a lower level of priority.
Please consider my posts to you as being in this last category. Which means less important than our crunching ability anyway.

The WCG support people do a very good job, please do not discourage them. cool
Cheers. Jean.
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